Norinco M305/M14

SeaFury, you write a good statement. I understand your POV and that you are trying to play down the wild eyed redneck image that haunts us in the eyes of those who are short of critical thinking skills. I must disagree that no visibility is the best.

I have to admit that reinforcing a bad image is harmful to us in general but we need the populace to see firearms somewhere other than a backdrop for the news anchor.
 
first , i don't consider the m305 as a "cheap chinesee knockoff:"- PRICE has NOTHING to do with the rifle, and these have been PROVEN to be just as effective of the real thing- btw, i also have 3 of the REAL THING ( springfield, trw, and h&r) that went for LESS than the 305- 250, 349. and almost 400 for the trw- you pay a PREMIUM for those; second, remember , the gi recruit ( who is amongst the dumbest of the species) was ISSUED the 14 from 57-63 and long after that, and THROUGH TRAINING, learned how to be effective- i would sooner take a green recruit , stilll and train him with the 305 than the bolt- any bolt- and i do mean the 98k as well- he'll know what to when his gun misfeeds, makes a lousy shot, all without HAVING TO THINK about it
 
I'm the saviour of nothing. I watched the legislation get brought in despite the protests and legitimate arguments that were made against it. It's my opinion that a low profile works best for us. Let the lawyers talk.

Yes we need to be visible in the community. we need to be in control of what they see and think.

Our friend here will not get military training on his rifle. He will take it out of the box and take it to the range or forest. If he is really destined to be a gun guy he will own more. I still insist he would be best served by a good bolt action, particularily to hunt.
 
tell the truth , it's the PRICE POINT that attracts the newbie and the fact that it's a semi-auto( blame hollywood) - he looks at the stevens or something like that and is not impressed; he looks at the 305 and sees himself blazing away with 20 round mags that he can't have, and guess which one he comes home with- fantasy blows away reality every time- very few of us have actually had the training to effectively use a rifle like the 14, and most find it too darned heavy,but it's the price point that settles the question- he thinks he's getting a DREAM RIFLE for 400 or so-and granted, it can do almost anything well, within limits- so can the g3 or fn, but we can't have those, and if we did , they would be about 1200 or so- or they're confined to the safe-the weight, unless properly managed, and the fact that you can't find your casings for reloads soon takes the bloom off the rose; but you NEVER could tell a gomer nothing; most folks have to LEARN IT FOR THEMSELVES
 
The range you say?? Last time i was at the range with my CZ858 i got comments like..."AKs are illegal in canada" "whats with the banana clip", or after shooting 5 rounds in 30 seconds "hey, no rapid fire on the range or i'll report you"....This is why i do most of my shooting on crown land miles away from any FUDD. Also, hiding in the shadows and not promoting our sport is ultimately hurting us....Should i be ashamed of being a sport shooter/hunter? should i bring my rifles to the truck in the middle of the night so my neighbors don't see what i am doing? should i cower(sp?) in the corner when the antis blantanly lie?? Hell no, i promote this sport every chance i get, and try to get as many people pulling the trigger as possible...now for some cliches....united we stand, there's strength in numbers, use your rights or lose your rights......

Seafury said:
For me I worry about our collective image.

I don't do camo on work days.
No Infidel sticker on truck window.
No folding stock Iron Curtain military rifles out amongst the solid farm folk of this province under the pretense of hunting. You go by with that pinned 30 rounder and you are not making any points for the firearms fraternity. That s**t belongs at the range.

It's not that I don't think you should be able to keep a full auto rifle in your personal space. I do. The majority of our people don't understand that and we must portray ourselves as mainstream citizens which we are by and large. No attention is a good level for us. Be a good steward of this skill.
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heck, i "stick out" every time i wear my boonie hat- which is most of the time- i also wear a red ranger hat in winter b/c i don't want to freeze my ears( been there, done that, got the t- shirt) - and it 5 bucks at tire off season- i'm at the point in life where I DON'T CARE what others think
 
I used to hunt with an M1 Garand, bought it for $300 in 1998. It was cheap, accurate enough and had excellent irons and thats why I used it.
The M14/305 offers those same benefits to the hunter. Just get within 200m and drop your Deer or Moose.
A tack driving bolt gun with hubble scope is not required to accomplish this. Plenty of guys out there been doing just fine for years with beat up ol Lee Enfields and alike.
 
I guess many would be happy if every one drove a f150 and hunted with a Remy 700. Do we get an organized diet plan, recreational schedule, permitted clothes, issued life partner, punch cards for 1.5 children, and a designated career work path and location....
 
Price point is arguable given the difficulty many have with these rifles. You may get a headache for $450. There are many good hardly used bolt guns at affordable prices. Nothing about the M14 type is basic. Not cleaning or adjusting the sights.

New gun owner? Best served by something simple. Easy to operate and maintain. Perhaps a new driver should have a Maclaren F1? A new motorcycle rider a Ducati 999?

I do make a point of keeping a low profile moving firearms. I think its best my neighbors don't know. None of their business.

My kids are shooting a single shot Cooey. I have a nice 10-22 but they will graduate to it. To me it makes good sense.
 
matty86suk said:
The range you say?? Last time i was at the range with my CZ858 i got comments like..."AKs are illegal in canada" "whats with the banana clip", or after shooting 5 rounds in 30 seconds "hey, no rapid fire on the range or i'll report you"....This is why i do most of my shooting on crown land miles away from any FUDD. Also, hiding in the shadows and not promoting our sport is ultimately hurting us....Should i be ashamed of being a sport shooter/hunter? should i bring my rifles to the truck in the middle of the night so my neighbors don't see what i am doing? should i cower(sp?) in the corner when the antis blantanly lie?? Hell no, i promote this sport every chance i get, and try to get as many people pulling the trigger as possible...now for some cliches....united we stand, there's strength in numbers, use your rights or lose your rights......
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Hey man if you're ever up for rapid firing at VFGPA let me know, I'll bring my friends and a couple crates of surplus. We rapid fired 2x 10/22 25round mags and a mini-14 today for a couple hours and no one cared.

It's just the fudds on the executive. If enough people like yourself go to the meeting and vote down that stupid rule, or make it so rapid fire is allowed on certain days, or certain times of the day we can all be happy. Seriously, there's enough members probably on this site that we could ambush the AGM and send the fudds back to fuddyville.

I'd also be happy if someone knew what makes AE tactical in fact, tactical. Is it just because the box it black?
 
Jesuswon said:
Hi guys! Im thinking of buying one for hunting,these thing any good, accurate? Thanks!! ( i really want a semi auto 308 for hunting bigger game, my deer,wild boar rifle is a cz 858 in 7.62/39. :)
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Seafury, did you actually READ his post, or like you are very adept at doing, did you jump to some sort of wild-a$$ conclusions about bolt guns, then skills, then Chinese knock offs, then low key and whatever else spewed out?? Give it a rest sometime, eh.

Jesuswon, to answer your question. You are wanting a semi to go hunting with, will the M14 fit the bill. Yes. My "knock-off" with sights is very accurate. I scoped it at one point, but found it to be too heavy. You can get a Browning semi, but they are too pretty and twice the price. I sold mine on here. You also have the option of a moderately priced Remington, but I have heard they are prone to jamming.

The drawback to the Norky rifle is that they are on the heavy side for packing, but they are very durable and reliable. For 'yotes, I prefer my 243 or 257 Weatherby Magnum, because they usually account for a good 400 to 500 yards up here...quite skittish. For deer, I like my Norky, Weatherby Vanguard Carbine (308 as well) and 243. It all depends on where and how I am going to hunt. My Nork, in ALL situations, is my go-to backup rifle.

If going to use for hunting, I would advise using 150 gr ammo. Using good stuff will also assist your accuracy too. I bang on the 300 yard gongs at our range all day long with mine. Lastly, go to the range and practice. Practice shooting accurately, practice your safety skills with the rifle, practice loading/unloading/removing a round from the chamber, etc. Take a course from Hungry, keep it clean. Read everything you can from previous posts. Learn the quirks of your rifle and how you best like to shoot it.

Be safe and have some fun. Good luck on your hunt.;)
 
11 pound hunting rifle? What's wrong with that, you plan on packing a 200lb carcass out of the woods anyway, might need some practice first!
 
My 7mm rem mag model 70 weighs more than my m14 and I have no issues carrying either gun all day in the field.
I routinely hunt with an m14 and have had no issues carrying it or killing game efficiently with it.
 
Actually I do have a tendancy to wander off.

If our guy is experienced he should not need advice on this. I'm not telling anyone what to buy. I got the impression he needed advice. M14 for new gun guy bad. I won't change my opinion. I'm right about this.

I never said the rifle wouldn't work. I hunted with a TRW when you could. Short little magazine flush with stock. Always got funny looks because of the flash suppressor. Would you rather use a 1.5 MOA rifle or a 3 MOA rifle to hunt with?

When Betty Crocker sees you hunting with the CZ complete with folding stock and banana mag you send the wrong message. That's life kids.

I'll bet M14 Doctors hunting rifle is somewhat better tuned than most of them. He also has a pile of experience.
 
Seafury said:
Actually I do have a tendancy to wander off.

If our guy is experienced he should not need advice on this. I'm not telling anyone what to buy. I got the impression he needed advice. M14 for new gun guy bad. I won't change my opinion. I'm right about this..
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You think you are right, there is a differance:cool:

I never said the rifle wouldn't work. I hunted with a TRW when you could. Short little magazine flush with stock. Always got funny looks because of the flash suppressor. Would you rather use a 1.5 MOA rifle or a 3 MOA rifle to hunt with?

So it is OK for you to use a m14 rifle, but no one else???

When Betty Crocker sees you hunting with the CZ complete with folding stock and banana mag you send the wrong message. That's life kids..

I don't hunt because i am sending a message, i hunt to get in the bush and put meat on the table...My CZ shoots a 30 cal bullet not bananas BTW:rolleyes:
Listen, just because your FUDD views have clouded your idea of what huntings is about shouldn;t influence others...Canada is a somewhat free country, and if i want to hunt with my banana calibre'd rifle, and i am abiding by the law, haters can piss off...I fill my freezer every year, be it using my banana cal'd CZ, My inaccurate m14 or my rem 700 308...Just wait for the XCR-M to hit the streets....FUDDS are gonna lose their minds...i cant wait
 
Rocket Surgery said:
Hey man if you're ever up for rapid firing at VFGPA let me know, I'll bring my friends and a couple crates of surplus. We rapid fired 2x 10/22 25round mags and a mini-14 today for a couple hours and no one cared.

It's just the fudds on the executive. If enough people like yourself go to the meeting and vote down that stupid rule, or make it so rapid fire is allowed on certain days, or certain times of the day we can all be happy. Seriously, there's enough members probably on this site that we could ambush the AGM and send the fudds back to fuddyville.

I'd also be happy if someone knew what makes AE tactical in fact, tactical. Is it just because the box it black?
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Sounds good:p I am waiting on a SU16 i ordered, can't wait to tell a FUDD it is my new deer rifle:D
 
matty86suk said:
You think you are right, there is a differance:cool:

I never said the rifle wouldn't work. I hunted with a TRW when you could. Short little magazine flush with stock. Always got funny looks because of the flash suppressor. Would you rather use a 1.5 MOA rifle or a 3 MOA rifle to hunt with?

So it is OK for you to use a m14 rifle, but no one else???

When Betty Crocker sees you hunting with the CZ complete with folding stock and banana mag you send the wrong message. That's life kids..

I don't hunt because i am sending a message, i hunt to get in the bush and put meat on the table...My CZ shoots a 30 cal bullet not bananas BTW:rolleyes:
Listen, just because your FUDD views have clouded your idea of what huntings is about shouldn;t influence others...Canada is a somewhat free country, and if i want to hunt with my banana calibre'd rifle, and i am abiding by the law, haters can piss off...I fill my freezer every year, be it using my banana cal'd CZ, My inaccurate m14 or my rem 700 308...Just wait for the XCR-M to hit the streets....FUDDS are gonna lose their minds...i cant wait
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You and everyone else should just keep doing whatever you want. People here claim firearms ownership is a "right". If thats the case we have been stripped of some "rights"and there was little we could do. I'd like to see the remaing "rights" we have unchanged. Law enforcement will tell you it is a priveledge. The fact you need to qualify for a license is proof of that.

After using my M14 to hunt I came to the conclusion that other hunters thought it was weird. I chose not to anymore. You see hillbilly the image we portray will have much to do with the way things go for us in the future. Ted Nugent and Charelton Heston were exactly the wrong type of people to forward our cause. I don't want rotten toothed lift kitted work boot wearing retards as spokesmen for my hobby. Statements like "from my cold dead hands" make us look like fringe element and that's not me. Talking about self defense and doomsday are equally concerning to the masses.

I'd bet you'll get different treatment from a fish and wildlife officer with a CZ in your hands. Is that what you want? I don't. As for banana mags thats someone elses term. I just tried to keep the terminology where it would have broad understanding.
 
Seafury said:
After using my M14 to hunt I came to the conclusion that other hunters thought it was weird. I chose not to anymore. You see hillbilly the image we portray will have much to do with the way things go for us in the future. Ted Nugent and Charelton Heston were exactly the wrong type of people to forward our cause. I don't want rotten toothed lift kitted work boot wearing retards as spokesmen for my hobby. Statements like "from my cold dead hands" make us look like fringe element and that's not me. Talking about self defense and doomsday are equally concerning to the masses.

I'd bet you'll get different treatment from a fish and wildlife officer with a CZ in your hands. Is that what you want? I don't. As for banana mags thats someone elses term. I just tried to keep the terminology where it would have broad understanding.
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You just keep puking and spewing this insidious drivel you call an opinion. I find it repugnant and sickening as to just how prejudiced you are. A first time hunter can use whatever gun he chooses. The CFO has judged a person as qualified when they get their pal. Your "hillbilly" comment is way out line!:mad: Also for your information, I ran into a Fish and Wildlife Officer when using my M14 (don't go there!) and he could have cared less. In fact he checked to ensure I was not using FMJ ammo. He also commented to me that there is a growing number of hunters, particularly deer hunters, using SKS's, Mosin's and the like. As long as they don't break the law...there is no issue.

I also have a major issue with a comment you wrote in a previous post....

"and anyone that's been around guns a long time won't tell you to buy a cheap chineesee semi auto GI knock off rifle to hunt with or as a first rifle."

I saw that garbage piece of junk you call a M14...oh that's right...it is a Springfield Armory knockoff...only the best money can buy...the one with the parts sourced out to Taiwan! Yee-Haw for the American way! I'll stack my chrome lined Poly with that heap of junk you call a rifle any day, any time.

I joined Gunnutz to participate in honest, open discussions and to assist others with my experiences and to seek advice accordingly. Nobody deserves to be told by an over-opinionated fool that they should not shoot an M14 for a first time rifle, because YOU believe they will not be safe. Go back to your cave!:mad:
 
Jesuswon said:
Cool t star,.. I hear ya loud n clear!
Ol dirty,now there are 1000 and one . No but honestly im new to this site and dont know my way around for beans!! Thanks for the help gents! Ps bigger game meaning moose!
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Funny how these threads come up and opinions start to come out and people get testy with each other,
I look at it like this:
ONE: I am a hunter, a hard core, get far from the truck hunter.
This means carrying my rifle all day. Keep the rifle simple, a good mount, a good scope, a very good sling and a fiberglass stock (wood stocks can swell in crappy weather shifting POI). Also, daily maintenace is required to ensure dirt/debris and moisture do not affect function.
TWO) .308 caliber is a hunting caliber suitable for most big game in canada. The following pertains to any rifle... Know your rifle, if it can't hit the killzone reliably at the ranges you expect to meet game at, it should be left at home until it is tuned to be reliably accurate.
THREE) hunt with a firearm that YOU can ethically kill an animal with and don't concern yourself with what people think. The most important thing as a hunter is being fair and ethical, respecting your kill enough that you deliver death accurately and prefferably with one shot.
If you can do that on boars with a CZ or a moose with an m14 .... The LAST thing to concern yourself with is what someone else thinks about your rifle choice.
 
sobo4303 said:
You just keep puking and spewing this insidious drivel you call an opinion. I find it repugnant and sickening as to just how prejudiced you are. A first time hunter can use whatever gun he chooses. The CFO has judged a person as qualified when they get their pal. Your "hillbilly" comment is way out line!:mad: Also for your information, I ran into a Fish and Wildlife Officer when using my M14 (don't go there!) and he could have cared less. In fact he checked to ensure I was not using FMJ ammo. He also commented to me that there is a growing number of hunters, particularly deer hunters, using SKS's, Mosin's and the like. As long as they don't break the law...there is no issue.

I also have a major issue with a comment you wrote in a previous post....

"and anyone that's been around guns a long time won't tell you to buy a cheap chineesee semi auto GI knock off rifle to hunt with or as a first rifle."

I saw that garbage piece of junk you call a M14...oh that's right...it is a Springfield Armory knockoff...only the best money can buy...the one with the parts sourced out to Taiwan! Yee-Haw for the American way! I'll stack my chrome lined Poly with that heap of junk you call a rifle any day, any time.

I joined Gunnutz to participate in honest, open discussions and to assist others with my experiences and to seek advice accordingly. Nobody deserves to be told by an over-opinionated fool that they should not shoot an M14 for a first time rifle, because YOU believe they will not be safe. Go back to your cave!:mad:
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You said what I felt!!
 
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