Norinco M305/M14

[Skullboy]

I never touted the SA at all in this thread, said I didn't think these rifles were good choices for hunting for someone inexperienced enough to ask. That was the question.

Hungry you can lock it, ban me or whatever else you see fit. I will take the time to correct statements like the one above. Frankly, my time would be better spent elsewhere. People here believe an M14 is a one gun do it all rifle and that won't change. Me, I don't think so.

Yes........Have the thread locked.......because most, if not all people here disagree with your opinion...........run and hide.......as you would have us do with our military style firearms.......

No where did I state or imply that the M14 was "one gun do it all rifle"............

Seems to me you are touting the SA M1A over the Norinco ..........

Please read all the failure to cycle, improperly indexed, soft bolt, broken firing pin Norinco threads. Getting a lemon could be very discouraging for a new shooter. Look here or go to the M14 website. Look for my M1A don't work threads. There are not many. Of those the problems were fixed by Springfield. Norinco? Not so much.

Read CGN forums for Norinco issues. There are plenty. Look South for M1A issues and here as well there are few. On the South side of the line they love their M1A's but yes all would prefer an LRB.

Where do we start with the inaccuracies in these statements...........

If more people on this site started with a bolt gun they would aquire better skills and knowledge more quickly.

You are assuming the OP is a new hunter/shooter.............When I read his original post I don't see anything to that effect. He posted he currently hunts, and currently hunts with a Military style firearm.........I learned to shoot on semi auto military style firearms......and I learned quickly...........never had an issue........having and excellent mentor helped..... .........IMHO skill set/Knowledge have more to do with the person and NOT the firearm.........

Why do people hunt with semi auto military rifles anyway? They can never be as accurate or reliable.

Because they have the freedom to do so. Why do you hunt ?.......You can buy meat at the Super Market..........

I had a custom built M14 type rifle that would hold its own against any bolt gun...........which was built by Hungry himself.....

Bolt guns are inherantly simpler to use and therefore safer.

I disagree on the safety point...............yes they are simpler in operation, but safety is the shooters responsibility and they alone are responsible for how safe the firearm is. I have had been "swept" and had more firearms pointed at me at the range by "Hunter Bob" types and their bolt guns more then anyone else................Most of the Hunters I have come across bring their rifles out two or three times a year.........once to sight in, and then to go on their one or two hunting trips...............and are oblivious to where their muzzle is pointing and the finger outside the trigger guard rule...........

Why would anyone use a CZ858 to hunt anything?

Previously answered above..........Because they can.......

Why do people need to use ATVs to hunt??? Walking is healthier, doesn't scare game, and less harmful to the enviroment.......

 

[M14Doctor]

Well said Giwolf, excellent post

 

[matty86suk]

^^^^
The sportsman vs. the hunter
The hunter will use the same rifle that is proven to be good, same ammo, and hunt in the same spot every year...
The sportsman will wake up the morning of his hunt, look at the map and find a place he hasn;t hunted before, then he'll go to his safe and choose a rilfe, marlin guide gun...nah, how about the remington in 7mm mag...nah...hell the m14s is shooting good these days, why not......Same with fishing...Fishing the same spot with the same gear is boring, go out and explore, use diffrent gear...live a little

 

[spicymchaggis]

soup guys, i went shooting my norinco m305 last week and after about 60 shots, the operating rod?(charging handle thing) disconnected from the bolt. i disassembled it and put it back together and shot it a few times afterwords with no problems, but is there a safety issue here? i dont want it to blow up in my face or nothin like that
also i was using that MFS steel cased .308

 

[M14Doctor]

There are a few threads on this very topic. Anyone got a link?

As for locking the thread... I dunno, we're all adults
Springfield, norinco, who cares, there's crappy and awesome rifles from both manufacturers so let's not beat the dead horse... Or each other over that topic anymore.

As for hunting withe the m14 type rifle, I'm hosting and event here Oct 14 thru 16, and it is an m14 clinic/deer hunting weekend. Open to all, limit of 10. Should be fun times

 

[TACTICAL111]

Charelton Heston was exactly the wrong type of person to forward our cause

At least spell his name correctly

“ A free nation must have a free press and free speech to battle injustice, unmask corruption and provide a voice for those in need of a fair and impartial forum. I agree wholeheartedly -- a free press is vital to a free society
But I wonder: How many of you will agree with me that the right to keep and bear arms is not just equally vital, but the most vital to protect all the other rights we enjoy?
There is no such thing as a free nation where police and military are allowed the force of arms but individual citizens are not. That's a 'big brother knows best' theater of the absurd that has never bode well for the peasant class, the working class or even for reporters”

RIP

 

[gnmontey]

soup guys, i went shooting my norinco m305 last week and after about 60 shots, the operating rod?(charging handle thing) disconnected from the bolt. i disassembled it and put it back together and shot it a few times afterwords with no problems, but is there a safety issue here? i dont want it to blow up in my face or nothin like that
also i was using that MFS steel cased .308

I'm thinking not, but describe how the disconnect occured. The op rod came out of it's guide or the bolt roller came out of the guid rod or both?

M

 

[spicymchaggis]

it came out of the rail and the roller on the bolt came out

 

[f55]

it came out of the rail and the roller on the bolt came out

check your op rod guide, when i first got my rifle the op rod guide was very loose and the op rod would jump out, new pin and red loctite sorted it out.

 

[Skullboy]

check your op rod guide, when i first got my rifle the op rod guide was very loose and the op rod would jump out, new pin and red loctite sorted it out.

Yes........Check the Op Rod guide for "slop"...........If it has side to side play that causes the alignment to go out and will cause the op Rod to come out of the track.........

 

[driller212]

If you want a rifle for BIG game such as moose, bison, bear etc you need a bigger caliber rifle than .308 IMO.

Minimum hunting caliber in the Yukon for example is 30-06 from what I know, and that is a more powerful cartridge than the .308 cartridge, which puts things in perspective for you.

I do plan to hunt with my m14, but it will be limited to coyotes, deer, and elk.

but it is all a matter of opinion. that is just mine.

J

 

[spicymchaggis]

ok thanks guys i see the problum
ill git to replacing that pin and whatnot
anyways back to k

 

[Skullboy]

If you want a rifle for BIG game such as moose, bison, bear etc you need a bigger caliber rifle than .308 IMO.

Minimum hunting caliber in the Yukon for example is 30-06 from what I know and that is a more powerful cartridge than the .308 cartridge, which puts things in perspective for you.

The .308 Win will pretty much do anything the 30-06 can.........but in a shorter case and loaded at a higher pressure..........there is around 100 fps difference in velocity between the cartridges.......

The .308 Winchester has slightly more drop at long range than the .30-06 Springfield, owing to its slightly lower (100 ft/s) muzzle velocity with most bullet weights.

 

[M14Doctor]

One fella on here, he can identify himself, dropped a freakin BISON with his M14s. I don't think he necessarily planned to shoot a bison with his .308 cal M14 but... Well he can tell the story.
.308 has killed every big game animal in north america. Much like other 30 cal rifles from 30-30 on up. As always, shot placement and a suitable bullet is the key.
A .308 165 gr bonded or partition bullet will kill a bear, moose , deer, elk, cariboo, ect, and with that bullet, within 300 yards, If I new my rig was accurate enough to put a bullet where I aim, bolt gun, semi auto, there's no difference.
I also read in one of the Hunting annuals , pedersons I think, where they listed popular hunting calibers by talking to guides, outfitters, region by region, all over north america. The .308 was by far the most widely used cartridge used for black bear and deer throughout north america. How accurate that poll was, I can't say.

 

[driller212]

One fella on here, he can identify himself, dropped a freakin BISON with his M14s. I don't think he necessarily planned to shoot a bison with his .308 cal M14 but... Well he can tell the story.
.308 has killed every big game animal in north america. Much like other 30 cal rifles from 30-30 on up. As always, shot placement and a suitable bullet is the key.
A .308 165 gr bonded or partition bullet will kill a bear, moose , deer, elk, cariboo, ect, and with that bullet, within 300 yards, If I new my rig was accurate enough to put a bullet where I aim, bolt gun, semi auto, there's no difference.
I also read in one of the Hunting annuals , pedersons I think, where they listed popular hunting calibers by talking to guides, outfitters, region by region, all over north america. The .308 was by far the most widely used cartridge used for black bear and deer throughout north america. How accurate that poll was, I can't say.

The .308 Win will pretty much do anything the 30-06 can.........but in a shorter case and loaded at a higher pressure..........there is around 100 fps difference in velocity between the cartridges.......

I am not going to argue haha, but I was just stating some facts and my opinion based on those facts. I didnt say you couldnt hunt big game with a .308, I simply prefer to use something that has more hitting power.

Good Hunting,

J

 

[Seafury]

Yes........Have the thread locked.......because most, if not all people here disagree with your opinion...........run and hide.......as you would have us do with our military style firearms.......

No where did I state or imply that the M14 was "one gun do it all rifle"............

Seems to me you are touting the SA M1A over the Norinco ..........





Where do we start with the inaccuracies in these statements...........



You are assuming the OP is a new hunter/shooter.............When I read his original post I don't see anything to that effect. He posted he currently hunts, and currently hunts with a Military style firearm.........I learned to shoot on semi auto military style firearms......and I learned quickly...........never had an issue........having and excellent mentor helped..... .........IMHO skill set/Knowledge have more to do with the person and NOT the firearm.........




Because they have the freedom to do so. Why do you hunt ?.......You can buy meat at the Super Market..........

I had a custom built M14 type rifle that would hold its own against any bolt gun...........which was built by Hungry himself.....




I disagree on the safety point...............yes they are simpler in operation, but safety is the shooters responsibility and they alone are responsible for how safe the firearm is. I have had been "swept" and had more firearms pointed at me at the range by "Hunter Bob" types and their bolt guns more then anyone else................Most of the Hunters I have come across bring their rifles out two or three times a year.........once to sight in, and then to go on their one or two hunting trips...............and are oblivious to where their muzzle is pointing and the finger outside the trigger guard rule...........




Previously answered above..........Because they can.......

Why do people need to use ATVs to hunt??? Walking is healthier, doesn't scare game, and less harmful to the enviroment.......

Run and hide? Not likely.

At no time did I say forget ther Norinco get an SA. I wouldn't recomend either for someone "inexperienced enough to ask". Yes I did say that a troublesome rifle could be discouraging. Yes I did say that their problems are well documented. If he hunts with a CZ858 why the hell would he need advice on using the M14S? Sounds like an inexperienced hunter/shooter to me.

I don't want you to hide your military firearms. Odds are I've done it longer than you. My experience is that most people don't understand your desire to own one. Brandishing it and yelling its your right solves nothing. I'll open my gun safe if a friend asks me to. Otherwise its a piece of furniture and I don't discuss it. The difference is perhaps that most of my personal friends are white collar profesionals who have no interest.

Many years ago after that #### Marc Lepine commited an unthinkable act firearms were big news in this country. Here in Calgary the media chose to go to a certain gun store whose owner had a fascination with WWII Germand militaria. He was as proud as a peacock as they interviwed him and asked his opinion on firerarms control as if he was the local authority. The whole time the camera crew had arranged it so that a Nazi flag was directly behind Col Klink. There he was, smile on his face with a massive swastika behind him. All that was missing was a brown shirt and red arm band.

The media will always do their best to portray us as unsophisticated rednecks. Don't make it easy for them.

 

[Silveragent]

The whole time the camera crew had arranged it so that a Nazi flag was directly behind Col Klink. There he was, smile on his face with a massive swastika behind him. All that was missing was a brown shirt and red arm band.

LOL. First time I was ever introduced to a gun owner (who wasn't a hunter) was the new boyfriend of a girl i knew. He showed me his gun room where he also reloaded. He had a huge ass Nazi war flag. What a cliche that guy was. Rode a Harley, wore cutoff shirts, mullet, gun owner, and to seal the deal: neo-Nazi. "Just my heritage, man". I didn't visit them much.

 

[dfritter1]

Wow, quite the thread here. I think the one thing many gun owners tend to forget that when we see a gun, we see a Remington 700, a Beretta 682, a Colt 1911, or an Armalite AR-15. When non-gun owners see a gun, they see a big gun, a small gun, a black gun, a wooden gun.

I've gauged peoples reactions to my walnut-stocked, iron-sighted M14 and compared the response to that which I used to get with my old Remington 597 target model in a laminate thumbhole with a big bloody scope on it. The gun thought to be more dangerous? The .22. Why? Because it invariably was seen to have a "sniper scope." So the notion that someone will see you hunting with an M14 and pass a judgement they'd otherwise withhold if they saw an old Mauser in your hands is a fallacy.

As for the whole new shooter/semi-auto thing goes... I always try and introduce new shooters to the sport with a semi-auto. They just want to makes noise and put holes in paper or bust pop cans; fumbling with cartridges and forcing them to manipulate the action every_single_time just makes the learning curve seem that much larger. Hell, Ruger's given birth to an entire industry thanks to that simple fact with the 10/22.

No disrespect, obviously. If you want your kids to shoot a single shot Cooey until they prove proficient enough to graduate to the 10/22, more power to you; they'll probably learn to be excellent shots. Just respect that some may have different opinions or priorities when it comes to introducing people to shooting.

 

[hillmanr2]

Huh this thread is quite the aboration for this forum. Hunt with whatever is legal and ethical as posted by M14doc.

If other hunters don't like the looks of an m14, cz, tavor, fs2000 that is thier problem. Hiding these types of rifles away does nothing to move the sport forward. Young people want new, this has always been the way. A pistol grip is new, a rem700 that looks like every other rifle out there is old.

Preserve the sport and way of life, that is important, arguing over the equipment is a lose, lose.

 

[Tomochan]

I would also say 'hunt with whatever is legal and appropriate for the task' and to that statement I'd add 'try at least once a season to take something out that is legal but outside of the norm' - let's cement the sense that a M14 or a CZ858 is a legitimate and popular hunting rifle as in doing so it will make them less of a target for the ban hammer.

Oh and by the way Seafury I'd also add that having 'professional white collar friends' doesn't mean they are not interested in guns - maybe true of your friends but not mine !