Muzzle Brake on 22LR????

chopper 1 said:
Thats why I like this site -
Ideas from others experiences that I have not had.

If you look at the Volquartsen brake it sends the gas circumferentially sideways , not back at the shooter. Lead blow back towards the shooter should only occur if a strong wind was in his face.

That brakes problem is the large amount of very difficult to remove lead that accumulates around the inside of the exit hole in an uneven blob.
The unconcentric nature of the blob is not condusive to accuracy.

I am now on a quest to examine the interior structure of the Levang comp!
Do you know anywhere I can see a cutaway view ?

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Sorry, no I don't. It is quite an interesting device, the 6 ports are slightly angled away from the bore and in theory would help to "strip" gas away from the bullet path. I'm not that smart when it comes to this stuff, but as far as I understand it: as many here already know, when the bullet "uncorks" from the muzzle the following gases can speed up upon exit and overtake the bullet, causing it to destabilize slightly. Any device that may help to divert gas away from the bullet path should help accuracy. But the effectiveness is very hard to measure and would change with different ammo, bullet weights, and barrel length.

I've never noticed any blobs in there and I've shot a lot with it on rimfire and centerfire rifles.

Here's a link to a review I did of it:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=506719&highlight=levang
 
I have one on a 10/22. No I didn't notice any difference in recoil. But there's so little with a 22 anyways. Mine is cosmetic mostly to make the barrel length look correct and to give it a centerfire rifle look. It does protect the threads and the reworked Levang compensator seems slightly quieter but who that's probably just a result of the redirected gasses and the sound going away from the shooter. As for accuracy I didn't notice any difference. I tested with it on and off. POI was even the same. This rifle shoots American Eagle 38 grain the same way or better than my target version shoots Lapua. I still need to get the trigger lowered though. The stock trigger on the Ruger sucks. Lower rings have been put on since this picture.

Sorry having difficulty posting picks from photobucket with my Iphone.
 
I have been making brakes for 20+ years. I have never put one on a 22lr. Your gun shoots better with a brake? Great! Folks usually remark that their centrefire gun shoots better with a brake on it. My guess is that the shooter improves with the reduced recoil. I have to admit that the lack of recoil with the 22lr would tend to lend some credence to the argument that a brake increases accuracy. I'm more tempted to believe that the weight of the brake improved the barrel harmonics enough to make a slight difference in accuracy. I suppose you would have to construct a blank of equal weight to the brake that would not affect the discharge of gasses upon the bullet's exit from the crown. And then compare the accuracy of the two. If it was me, I wouldn't bother. The gun shoots better, and that's what counts. Not knowing for sure why is a great topic of conversation around the hot stove club.

btw -I have shot a lot of cast bullets out of all of my braked guns (375 H&H, 416 Rem, 458 Win) from 1000 to 2000 fps. I have never had a bit of lead spit from the brakes, or any lead build up inside the brake. No bullet lube build up either. And my brakes are bored with .015 clearance above bullet diameter.
 
ricksplace said:
I have been making brakes for 20+ years. I have never put one on a 22lr. Your gun shoots better with a brake? Great! Folks usually remark that their centrefire gun shoots better with a brake on it. My guess is that the shooter improves with the reduced recoil. I have to admit that the lack of recoil with the 22lr would tend to lend some credence to the argument that a brake increases accuracy. I'm more tempted to believe that the weight of the brake improved the barrel harmonics enough to make a slight difference in accuracy. I suppose you would have to construct a blank of equal weight to the brake that would not affect the discharge of gasses upon the bullet's exit from the crown. And then compare the accuracy of the two. If it was me, I wouldn't bother. The gun shoots better, and that's what counts. Not knowing for sure why is a great topic of conversation around the hot stove club.

btw -I have shot a lot of cast bullets out of all of my braked guns (375 H&H, 416 Rem, 458 Win) from 1000 to 2000 fps. I have never had a bit of lead spit from the brakes, or any lead build up inside the brake. No bullet lube build up either. And my brakes are bored with .015 clearance above bullet diameter.
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Do you have any photos of your brakes that you can post?
 
no idea on rifles, but people seem to like them on steel challenge .22 open pistols, im thinking of building one of those and am going to test and see how much of a difference they make

one tip i found, if your brake is getting really dirty and hard to clean, clean it perfectly, spray it with hornady one shot cleaner/dry lube and then wipe it and re spray it every few hundred rounds
 
Clobbersauras said:
Thanks for posting, nice rifle. Your brake looks a lot like the Dlask A6.
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Seems it is for cosmetic reasons only -
Ineffective as a .22 lr brake as the gas exit ports are for center fire and to large to be effective to counter bullet base gas de-stabilization.

A .22 brake for less de-stabilization requires circumferentially concentric ports for a smooth stable concentric gas cushion (as in the Volquartsen).

The most effective (accuracy wise) is the concentric porting being in the barrel rather than an add on brake, because the de-stabilizing gas is lessened prior to crown exit.

There have been several high-end .22 rimfire replacement barrrels over the years in that configuration. I remember 4 or 5 different manufacturers in one Brownells catalog about 15 or 20 years ago.

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chopper 1 said:
Seems it is for cosmetic reasons only -
Ineffective as a .22 lr brake as the gas exit ports are for center fire and to large to be effective to counter bullet base gas de-stabilization.

A .22 brake for less de-stabilization requires circumferentially concentric ports for a smooth stable concentric gas cushion (as in the Volquartsen).

The most effective (accuracy wise) is the concentric porting being in the barrel rather than an add on brake, because the de-stabilizing gas is lessened prior to crown exit.

There have been several high-end .22 rimfire replacement barrrels over the years in that configuration. I remember 4 or 5 different manufacturers in one Brownells catalog about 15 or 20 years ago.

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Yes, mostly cosmetic, but from the vid i posted you can see the gas being deflected up, countering muzzle rise...but then again it is a 22lr...for accuracy you want to look at the reworked comp. dlask is offering, thats what i wanted originally, but dlask never returned any off my emails or messages...
 
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