Anyone seen one of these before?

Road King

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This a Sharps Cartridge Belt. What I'm trying to find out is it an Original from the 1800's or a reproduction. The leather is very old and it was found at a yard sale in Montana. Thought maybe some of you guys from out west or Buffalo hunters may a seen one before. My .45-120 cartridges fit nicely in this belt.

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As an Eastern greenhorn I can't help you much with the dating of it but its a darn nice ole belt. I wonder how old the 'Old Reliable' trade name is?....might be a bit of a clue.
 
My guess is that is a repro. An original would be mostly black from age and cracked etc. However, it was very masterfully done and looks superb. I really also like the weight straps on it, that is an excellent idea. I'd be proud to pack my ammo in that rig. Very authentic looking.

BTW, you might have a look at the Shilo websight and see if they have one like it, or write them and ask.
 
Gut feeling I think its a repro, Logo seems to be to modern in style for something out of the 19th Century. I would like to hear what an expert thinks about it.
 
I'm not seeing the expected wear, residual markings/impressions & signs of corrosion in any of the ammo loops that I would have expected to see. I was expecting to see more wear from bullets left in it while on the trail, maybe some green tarnishing from the old brass in a few pockets, etc.. (I see the odd mark here and there, but no deep staining from the lead, nor any noticeable markers inside the pockets themselves) The metal hardware, unless it's silver, should be showing a lot more age and patina as well I think. I'd also have expected to see a bit more "hip sag" showing in the leather from it being worn for a few years.

Also, the uneven heighth of the shell pockets seems out of place. Quality was important back then, and this would not have been something that just anyone could have afforded, so I doubt the leather strip for the pockets would be cut as "sloppily" is it seems to have been done. It does add to the "old timer" look of it though, and such things are usually a hint to reproduction work.

My gut reaction is that it is a reproduction - BUT, a very well done reproduction! Regardless of its authenticity, I'd be damn proud to carry my ammo in it, or even hang it above my mantle.

Very nice find! Since you picked it up at a garage sale, if you paid <$100 I think you did very well indeed. If the cash was available to me, I'd probably have considered as much as $150 just to have it as a wall hanger.
 
I am not an expert, but I have been interested in Sharps rifles for 35 years. I would think an original would be marked somewhere with either Sharps Rifle Mfg Co or Sharps Rifle Co. I have seen these markings on both loading tools and cartridge boxes produced by Sharps. I have not noticed Old Reliable on any of the loading tools or cartridge boxes produced by Sharps. I have noticed Old Reliable on barrels produced after the move from Hartford to Bridgeport.

Old Reliable is often displayed in advertising from the C Sharps Arms in Montana. Their barrels might also have that mark. Not sure as I don't pay much attention to them.

Regards,
Powderman
 
I am not an expert, but I have been interested in Sharps rifles for 35 years. I would think an original would be marked somewhere with either Sharps Rifle Mfg Co or Sharps Rifle Co. I have seen these markings on both loading tools and cartridge boxes produced by Sharps. I have not noticed Old Reliable on any of the loading tools or cartridge boxes produced by Sharps. I have noticed Old Reliable on barrels produced after the move from Hartford to Bridgeport.

Old Reliable is often displayed in advertising from the C Sharps Arms in Montana. Their barrels might also have that mark. Not sure as I don't pay much attention to them.

Regards,
Powderman

When Shiloh started making the Sharps rifle in Frammingdale NY they had the rights to the name and trade mark [Old Reliable] but when they moved to Big Timber Mt. and the owners split, C.Sharps started using the name on their rifles and Shiloh stopped using the trademark on their rifles.
I have seen pictures of Buffalo hunters (Runners) of the era with a similar type of cartridge belt, but never one close enough to reveal any markings on it.
 
the united states has such a rich and varying history that you can find all sorts of things, real and repo all over the country.

Looks like a great find either way.
 
Here s a pic of an Old Reliable belt buckle.These were used in conjunction with the Anson mills canvas web belts. An original buckle with the belt is a bit pricy.Actually the canvas belts are alot easier on the cases as the cases don t build up a coating of dirt etc as they do in a leather belt if left too long making them hard to remove from the belt.
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Look's original to me.
I have a WW1 enfield leather cartridge belt that's in pretty good shape also.
Try posting over at Cast Boolit's and you'll receive an answer or 10.
I know their being reproduced.
Even EBAY has a couple repro's now and then.
 
Haven't had much results to find out if anyone has seen one of these belts before so maybe it was a one of kind made by somebody what had access to an Old Reliable stamp. Been trying to get on the Shiloh site forum but not having much luck.
Anyway I got to thinking, I got some leather and need to make a cartridge belt to go with one of my Sharps rifle so I made this cartridge belt and knife sheath for my .45-120 , 16lb barrel Sharps Rifle. Maybe someone in a 100 years will be asking the above question to this belt.:D LOL

It is all hand stiched, and the knife hangs on an angle for riding on a horse or just sitting down. Belt holds 26 cartridges.

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