A tip and encouragement to new precision shooters

Tomochan

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Sometimes I get the feeling that people new to tactical or precision rifles get a bit frustrated that their rifles don't seem to shoot as well as expected. My tip and my encouragement not to give up is best explained by my recent experience:

A few weeks ago I acquired a very nice custom rifle built on a Remington receiver. The rifle had been unfired by the CGN'er who commissioned the build so it was in new condition when it arrived on my door. I was exceptionally happy with the looks features and fit and finish of this rifle and featured it in a review I recently wrote but while the rifle 'showed promise' as far as accuracy was concerned, I felt I wasn't getting all I could out of this piece of kit.

I tried a wide range of loads using 175 and 168g pills and while the rifle produced some .6 and .7 groups, I felt it should do better. Thinking the SEI flash-hider may have not be helping, I removed it but the results were the same - a very solid sub-MOA rifle but not in Coyote or TRG territory. Mmmm - first class components, assembled by a first class smith and not 1/2 MOA kinda left me scratching my head.

This past Friday - at a practice session with other rifles - I had the custom with me and decided that, perhaps, it was me; maybe I just needed more trigger time with this rifle so I used a bunch of handloads I had made up for my ( now sold ) M1A - 155 grainers with a fairly mild load (42.7) of Varget - not expecting anything other than for them to go bang as the idea was for me to train myself for this particular trigger. Well, fcuk me if the rifle didn't just love that loading ! 20 rounds in 5 shot groups at 200 m all groups just outside an inch - I repeated the test with the remainder of what I had available in this loading on Saturday and put all 6 into 1.2" at 200m. Guess I have a 1/2 MOA rifle after all. I shall be fine-tuning around this combo after the Farky match to determine just how good a rifle this actually is.

Point of this tale - don't give up - a rifle that is well made using quality parts will have a load it likes; you just gotta find it :)
 
I had the same issue with my 7mm ultra mag. I was almost at the point of getting ready to sell it.

Once I found the magic spot, the gun shot amazing.
 
It's all about development of the loads and of course finding the resulting sweet spot! :D Many rifle competitors often ask, "What's a good load?"

My answer is, " Whatever works in your rifle... but we can recommend starting points."

Rifles and their pet loads have to be developed over the winter/spring/summer and I've discovered that it may take a few months of getting to know what that particular rifle loves to be fed!

Hey, that's all part of the learning journey! :cheers:

Have at 'er!

Barney
 
Never try to get by using cheap stuff, always go with the best components on everything, buy a very good scope in the top one, the best rings, the best reloading equipements, on the long run all the investement will comme back to you with very satisfactory results... JP.
 
good thread, when i got my r700 i felt the same frustration, being my first precision rifle and being new to shooting i thought it would have been alot easier than it was. i was clearly wrong. i thought i was shooting way out to lunch and my scope was off and this and that. had the rang officer shoot the rifle and bury 3 in nearly the same hole at 100y, so there i knew it was the shooter not the gun. ive had days where ive hit just over 1" at 200y and days where ive shot 6 inch and even missed the paper due to a flinch or something. so there are many factors. ive even noticed that my body position at 100y will cause me to hit an inch or two to the side at 200 yards. so ive learned to sit square up behind the gun. also with loads, i thought my gun would shoot the remington core locs good, but it doesnt like them and scatters them. it does however shoot the federal premium stuff quite well.
 
Funny the same thing happend to me yesterday.... A full custom, thought it should shoot better at 300 yards. It shot well be the problem was not the load, it was the shooter. I just needed the trigger time and to figure out how to shoot the rifle. Now 1 to 1.25 inches at 300 happen. This with a hard hold and HEAVY check weld. There are times when the sweet spot comes from the shooter too. I find that most guns are like certian other things in life they all like to be held in a different way. Gotta love it when things come together.
 
The bad part here is when the shooter is having a bad day and you figured what was a bad test load/series was actually the bo-zo behind the damn trigger. :mad:

I have gone back to components that I initially thought didn't work.
 
The bad part here is when the shooter is having a bad day and you figured what was a bad test load/series was actually the bo-zo behind the damn trigger. :mad:

I have gone back to components that I initially thought didn't work.


ive had days like that too, start off shooting well, somethig happens to throw me off, maybe a little shoulder bruising or something, and the flinch starts, and the groups spread, and the anger sets in. then i start popping one after another and the barrel gets real hot and the groups get even worse. its like with alot of things, working on a car for example, something is stuck, you cant get it off, walk away for it, come back to it and it comes off right away, same thing with shooting. sometimes you just need a break.
 
ive had days like that too, start off shooting well, somethig happens to throw me off, maybe a little shoulder bruising or something, and the flinch starts, and the groups spread, and the anger sets in. then i start popping one after another and the barrel gets real hot and the groups get even worse. its like with alot of things, working on a car for example, something is stuck, you cant get it off, walk away for it, come back to it and it comes off right away, same thing with shooting. sometimes you just need a break.

Made me smile reading that one. Its like someone was watching me. That is the truth..
 
that does make me feel better- I generally get frustrated when I'm not great at something right off the bat, and that leads to even worse results. Glad to know it's not always me, and that it does get better.

cheers to the great thread. Now to go drink.
 
that does make me feel better- I generally get frustrated when I'm not great at something right off the bat, and that leads to even worse results. Glad to know it's not always me, and that it does get better.

cheers to the great thread. Now to go drink.


im the same way, and now that ive broken my leg in a real good way ive got nothing but time to get great at things, lol. and drink, been doing lots of that lately
 
Wish I had the same problem as you, my problem is that my rifle shoots all the loads in the same 0.5-0.2 MOA group =P

I love my Savage

that is a problem, i think they have groups that meet on tuesdays for your problem. lol

you know what my current problem is, my wife went to work, and i cant bring back my rum and coke to the couch from the kitchen because im on crutches. thats the biggest issue im facing right now.
 
Hey man at least your girl works.

Its funny you bring that up cause my real problem right now is that mine doesn't work!

mines got a pretty good job which im happy about, im self employed and off work for the next 2.5 months so im a little sol and living off savings and her income. heres how our month has been, end of august i had to have surgery to remove a wisdom tooth that was coming in sideways, first week of sept, tuesday was my birthday, wednesday i treated myself to a new truck, thursday i broke my leg in 2 places, saturday i had surgery, that same saturday we were supposed to leave on our honeymoon, monday i went home, and this week we put an offer on a new house and its been accepted, its really been a full few weeks for us. lol. this is the end result
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so if you think youre having a rough time at the range because your group suck, its not the end of the world, things could be worse :)


back on topic, i had a crappy day one day out, groups just werent staying together, frustration was setting in and i kept firing my poor r700 one round afher the other trying to get them to close together, combination of about 3 rounds per minute for 6 or 7 minutes got the barrel really hot and frustration was getting worse and spread my groups all over the place. i walked away, shot another guys .308 bullpup something or other, came back and tightened things back up. although ive found my groups have improved greatly since i started shooting off a rear bag
 
I too have suffered from "bad days" while trying to get s gun to shoot as well as it should - and somewhere along the line I realize I am trying to force it to work ... and that only increases the problems :(

I've found the best cure (for me) is a little "venting" ... I like to drag an old semiauto 22 with me on "Development Days" ... when I start getting a little frustrated, I'll burn a box or two of rimfire off and I find it settles me and lets me focus again on WHY I'm there in the first place ... Because shooting is FUN! Even if you aren't hitting the target the way you want.
 
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