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dudley2112

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just wondering what the legal status of the long moderator/ flash suppressor seen on Gau-5 and Car-15 style rifles is. I know in the US they are considered suppressors but whats the deal with them up here?
 
How are they any different that a target shooters "bloop tube"? Read page 12: h ttp://members.shaw.ca/cronhelm/Images/LegalizeSuppressors.pdf

All the the car-15 seems to do is direct the noise and have a flash hider built in.
 
fireball said:
From what I see they aren't. I wouldn't mind a bloop tube on my AR10.
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The origional design had a baffle, although by modern standards it's not a suppressor.

The law in Canada is somewhat phucked. If the device lowers the report of a firearm, it's prohibited. The question however is what precisely does that mean? Without a standard test approved, some flash hiders and muzzle breaks could be found to be silencers when clearly they don't do anything but change direction.

(ie, a microphone placed 10 feet to the right of the muzzle, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet back, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet forward)
 
so now the question becomes whos gonna make me a car15 style "bloop tube" :D

so if i just wanted aesthetics and made a bloop tube or any of the aforementioned flash suppressors in a car-15 style without a baffle im good to go?
 
Yup, after I'm done my AR10 build I was going to speak to Dlask or a machinist friend about having a bloop tube made, without baffle.
 
Canuck223 said:
The origional design had a baffle, although by modern standards it's not a suppressor.

The law in Canada is somewhat phucked. If the device lowers the report of a firearm, it's prohibited. The question however is what precisely does that mean? Without a standard test approved, some flash hiders and muzzle breaks could be found to be silencers when clearly they don't do anything but change direction.

(ie, a microphone placed 10 feet to the right of the muzzle, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet back, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet forward)
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Having read the definition several times a berm or ear muffs could fall into the classification. Regardless, it's stupid ! The only safety device that's prohibited in Canada, total Charter issue!!
 
.. The Original did in fact alter or change the report. Thus, a Prohibited Item. .... Years ago, and they may still make them but OLYMPIA ARMS (?) did produce a Flash Hider, that was longer, and slipped, screwed or maybe, was sweated onto the barrel, that mimicked the appearance of the original Flash Hider without actually either changing the Barrel length or sound. Fairly heavy in all probability, and therefore, may have changed the balance and handling of an AR type "Short Carbine". But, they sure looked like the real deal ! ...... David K
 
enefgee said:
Bushmaster lists them under their accessories section.
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They are a common, cheap item south of the border.

Nothing inside them, they are just a tube flash hider that looks like the original.

The original military items are classed as a suppressor and at any rate it's unlikely you will run across one.
 
The origional design had a baffle, although by modern standards it's not a suppressor.
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The originals had a series of what I would call proto-baffles inside and they were specifically designed to bring the muzzle blast down to the same level as a full sized M16, which makes them by definition a silencer ..... even if they are not a very effective one.

The copies look like the real thing externally but are nothing like it internally, which is likely where the confusion stems from.


There is at least one in Canada that I've heard of in private hands.
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Then that person is in possession of a Prohibited Device and would be well advised to keep quiet about it lest the authorities catch wind.


The law in Canada is somewhat phucked. If the device lowers the report of a firearm, it's prohibited. The question however is what precisely does that mean? Without a standard test approved, some flash hiders and muzzle breaks could be found to be silencers when clearly they don't do anything but change direction.

(ie, a microphone placed 10 feet to the right of the muzzle, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet back, vs 10 feet to the right and 10 feet forward)
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Exactly right. However there already exists a testing standard. It is based on MIL Std 1474D. For a detailed explanation of what all that means, see pg 85 (I think) in Al Paulson's "Silencer History and Performance Vol 1."


ya thats what i was wondering how is it different from say the flaming pig, the spex or the ATRS eliminator style of flash suppressors.
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The Noveski KX3 was specifically deemed not to be a silencer by ATF. The basic arcitecture of the SPEX is based on the KX3. I cannot comment on any others. However it would certainly be possible to stray into silencer territory if a brake like this was made by someone who doesn't know what they are doing.
 
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