NEA-15 First Official Picture Release

Hey NEA I'm guessing you did some kind of stress testing? Any chance we can get some data on it? Would love to know how the rifles hold up after 2k rounds, 5k rounds, 10k rounds....ect. If not I will gladly volunteer to test it out for you, no charge just get me some ammo :)

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Hey NEA I'm guessing you did some kind of stress testing? Any chance we can get some data on it? Would love to know how the rifles hold up after 2k rounds, 5k rounds, 10k rounds....ect. If not I will gladly volunteer to test it out for you, no charge just get me some ammo :)

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I don't know if our engineers are interested in supplying their materials test data to the general public, no. ;) We're not the first company that is making AR's out of 6061.. there are quite a few that have been doing it in the US for a while now. We're just the first in Canada. We're also the only Canadian manufacturer that has received this level of scrutiny in our designs from the public..

How do they hold up? My personal rifle is sitting just shy of 10k rounds and hasn't even been cleaned yet. It still functions as it should.

We had 3 public shoots in the last 2 days, as well as several media shoots during the week. The rifles that were supplied to TSC today as range guns have had almost 4000 rnds through them in the last few days. The only issues we've had are a result of ammo used, or with some fully loaded LAR mags not liking to seat into a rifle with a closed bolt (common with those mags).


When seconds count, warranty is months away...

I guess, like most of the people that have ever bought our products you're not familiar with our warranty (which is good I suppose).. We replace anything defective, or has failed. Period. So long as someone doesn't take a grinder to anything trying to create their own franken-accessory, it receives a 1:1 replacement. Any customer, whether they bought from us or one of our dealers, can come direct to us for support. We can count on our fingers how many exchanges we've ever had to do since we started. We try and make it right the first time so we (nor you) have to ever worry about our warranty service.
 
Because our engineers that develop high-stress aircraft components (including military landing systems) chose it as the best material for the job. Just because something is done one way for a period of time does not mean that it is the only way, and failure to explore other options and heed the advice of experts with much more experience and knowledge than myself would be an error.

Bottom line, there is not enough stress in an AR receiver to warrant it.

We are not anchored to the past, we are looking to move forward.

We're confidant enough with the choice to guarentee the rifle with a lifetime warranty.
But there are two main reasons.. The milspec standard was written quite some time ago and was written to a single product(s) with no scope for deviation. Note; 7075 is easier to forge, and 90%+ receivers are made from several common sources of forgings.

Interesting viewpoint, however you have not shared any validated data in response to your selection criteria I'm afraid other than circular logic.

So, basically your argument, when viewed fundamentally, boils down to the fact that the MIL-spec is incorrect in it's section of a high tensile alloy as it was misinformed and instead, your selection of a much lower strength alloy is acceptable due to the fact it was 'selected by your engineers'. By extension, the references and studies that these specifications are based off are also all in error as 'proved' by 'your engineers'.

I was under the impression that firearms are over-designed to encompass failure against most plausible eventualities, given the serious repercussions of a catastrophic failure to the user, and it appears that your design - simply due to using a much weaker alloy - is not accounting for the same safety margins that the original design is built for. This philosophy of maintaining safety margins has not, to my knowledge, changed since 'a long time ago'.

A lifetime warranty is a poor substitute as NEA is capitalizing on the fact that none of your rifles will be exposed to, with all due respect, anywhere near the same rigours as a military rifle would be. However, there was a reason why the MIL-spec (and supporting industry specifications) are written for a higher grade of alloy - to enhance durability and to ensure that the safety margins are safeguarded. It amuses me that even the Chinese are using the 7075 when they could be saving a bundle by using 6061 if they bought into your logic.

As the one deviating from the norm, the onus is on NEA to prove that your selected grade of alloy takes into account all safety parameters of the original design. This takes a little more than a "show and tell" day and requires detailed analysis and testing of the extreme scenarios that it could be subjected to.

To close, I congratulate you on introducing a "Canadian Made" firearm, even if it is a less rugged and capable 'replica' of an established design.

I look forward to an enlightening conversation :popCorn:
 
Haha I was just trying to get a free pass to shoot one of your guns NEA no worries ;) The confidence you show in yoru product will only reflect positively on your sales. I guess I'll have to buy one to find out :p On that note wish I could of made it to Kingston on Sat. Anyone gonna upload some more pics and maybe even vids ? Come on we all know you took some pics people!
 
I guess, like most of the people that have ever bought our products you're not familiar with our warranty (which is good I suppose).. We replace anything defective, or has failed. Period. So long as someone doesn't take a grinder to anything trying to create their own franken-accessory, it receives a 1:1 replacement. Any customer, whether they bought from us or one of our dealers, can come direct to us for support. We can count on our fingers how many exchanges we've ever had to do since we started. We try and make it right the first time so we (nor you) have to ever worry about our warranty service.

I have used lots of your products, 100 percent satisfied, just figured in the AR world 7075 would be considered milspec whereas 6061 commercial...pretty sure 99.9 percent of users won't care...
 
If that's supposed to be a jab I fail to see the basis for it. NEA has always been a pleasure for me to deal with. If they weren't I wouldn't be dealing with them.

Wasn't meant to be a jab...OK maybe a little bit...my point is it would suck to have something fail when your life is on the line, at that point warranty means F' all...
 
Interesting viewpoint, however you have not shared any validated data in response to your selection criteria I'm afraid other than circular logic. ...

... this has been discussed here and on many other forums Ad nauseam. We are not the first, nor likely the last to use 6061 in a receiver. We use 6061-T6 because it gets the job done and fits the application. We are not bound and tied to a spec that the US wrote for their industry. It is not our industry. Several manufacturers are using this material right now in the US and have been for a while... in fact, even more are making them out of plastic. We have not to date heard of a rash of AR explosions due to the lack of 7075 content in either 6061 nor plastic receivers.

Put plainly an AR is a bunch of fancy material around a properly manufactured Barrel, Bolt and gas system. The rest is for show and to house these parts. Our bolts and barrels are MPI'd and HPT'd for quality and performance. Milspec is not the be-all, end-all and a lot of people have some severe misconceptions about that spec, how why it was produced, and how it is applied. The same people that engineered these receivers are also entrusted by the US government to make F22 landing systems. If they say that the material will hold, I believe them; and apparently the US military does as well.

...And we will argue that our thicker walled 6061-T6 billet receivers are stronger than a thin-walled 7075 forged receiver.

Are we going to reveal our manufacturing processes, finishing processes, engineering documentation etc to the public? Not a chance. Please feel free to approach any other rifle manufacturer (or any Hi-Tech industry) with the same request and let us know what they tell you. At least we are taking the time to have the discussion and explain our reasoning. If not to your standard, I apologize.


We have been manufacturing products and accessories of various types for commercial use here and military abroad under our own name for a few years. ..as well as direct manufacturing for some very well known US and Canadian manufacturers that provide them under their name to various military organizations around the world. We are confidant in our product, our clients are, and our customers are.

Question: Is a 7075 receiver all that is standing in the way of you purchasing one of our rifles? Or is the interest purely of a materials discussion? Because if it is the former, send me your contact info and we will gladly make a single one from 7075 just for you and you can purchase it from our nearest dealer.
 
Wasn't meant to be a jab...OK maybe a little bit...my point is it would suck to have something fail when your life is on the line, at that point warranty means F' all...

No, but our liability insurance is not something that we're going out of our way to take for a test-drive. ;) It's much easier to just make a good product than one you have to worry about.
 
Interesting viewpoint, however you have not shared any validated data in response to your selection criteria I'm afraid other than circular logic.

So, basically your argument, when viewed fundamentally, boils down to the fact that the MIL-spec is incorrect in it's section of a high tensile alloy as it was misinformed and instead, your selection of a much lower strength alloy is acceptable due to the fact it was 'selected by your engineers'. By extension, the references and studies that these specifications are based off are also all in error as 'proved' by 'your engineers'.

I was under the impression that firearms are over-designed to encompass failure against most plausible eventualities, given the serious repercussions of a catastrophic failure to the user, and it appears that your design - simply due to using a much weaker alloy - is not accounting for the same safety margins that the original design is built for. This philosophy of maintaining safety margins has not, to my knowledge, changed since 'a long time ago'.

Don't particularly care either way but mil spec's proof testing is publicly available. Specification MIL-C-71186 (AR) (the latest one I have is 1994). Section 4.7.4 specifies the high pressure proof testing procedure. Long story short: they fire an overpresssured cartridge (M197, 70,000 PSI max vs standard M193 which is 52,000 PSI max) in the rifle and then test to see if there's cracks and the like.

A lifetime warranty is a poor substitute as NEA is capitalizing on the fact that none of your rifles will be exposed to, with all due respect, anywhere near the same rigours as a military rifle would be. However, there was a reason why the MIL-spec (and supporting industry specifications) are written for a higher grade of alloy - to enhance durability and to ensure that the safety margins are safeguarded. It amuses me that even the Chinese are using the 7075 when they could be saving a bundle by using 6061 if they bought into your logic.

If they were building strictly to milspec they could go a lot cheaper then. MIL-C-71186 (AR) section 3.4.7 only calls for a minimum lifetime of 6000 rounds with fewer then specified malfunctions. Anything after that's just gravy. Milspec's actually pretty sad when you look at it.

And I wouldn't worry too much about material. No where in the specification calls for T7075 material, the spec just calls for for a series of function tests, proofing, the maximum number of malfunctions before the 6000 round life's up, and parts interchangeability with parts from other manufacturers. I think they just settled for T7075 cause it's easier to hot forge, and with a US military contract calling for production of several thousand rifles then you can pretty easily justify the costs of the forging dies. Not to mention there's a ton more to it then just material selection. Heat treatment, material quality, wall thickness, even milling techniques all have an impact on the final overall strength of the product.
 
No, but our liability insurance is not something that we're going out of our way to take for a test-drive. ;) It's much easier to just make a good product than one you have to worry about.

From what i have understood throughout the NEA AR15 process is that 1000s of orders have been filled for overseas militarys...Like i said before warranty means F' all when jumping out of an airplane or roping in for a helicopter...I know price was a big factor when determining materails to be used, but from a machinists perspective i'd rather work with 7075 than 6061...The softer 6061 seems to gum up whereas the 7075 chips away nicely and tooling seems to last longer....
 
Interesting viewpoint, however you have not shared any validated data in response to your selection criteria I'm afraid other than circular logic.

A lifetime warranty is a poor substitute as NEA is capitalizing on the fact that none of your rifles will be exposed to, with all due respect, anywhere near the same rigours as a military rifle would be.

As the one deviating from the norm, the onus is on NEA to prove that your selected grade of alloy takes into account all safety parameters of the original design. This takes a little more than a "show and tell" day and requires detailed analysis and testing of the extreme scenarios that it could be subjected to.

To close, I congratulate you on introducing a "Canadian Made" firearm, even if it is a less rugged and capable 'replica' of an established design.

You cant be serious dude. Tell me you are only kidding. It's good enough for 'real users'. Surely its good enough for the Canadian plinker. Lol
 
I am sold! Yesterday at the multigun match at FRPC I shot one. They had one with 8000-9000 rounds without a cleaning or malfunction. Accuracy was excellent and it felt great. I love my Norinco M4 which hasn't failed me in 2000 rounds and was thinking of getting the 10.5" Norinco but now I have decided to get the 10.5" NEA.

Great work fellas!
 
I plan on taking my rifle (fixed for saying something stupid) down to Camden TN next year for seven days of training from Tactical response going from Fighting rifle, right onto Direct action civilian contractor. From what I understand the class puts rifles in its place, I have a feeling the NEA AR will make it through no problem, and 99% of the malfunctions will be user error.
 
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