Non-Restricted Semi-Automatic Designated Marksman rifle in current use?
- Thread starter Xiao Xiong
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CST Grad C.Nixon
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a non restricted PSG1!!! arent we all though lol! I saw one in the states that was only test fired, for $17grand.... yeah no thanks, Id rather take the 2 Barretts they had for $7grand instead, very lame the PSG is still on that prohib list....For a DMR I"d do a Springfield M1A w/ 24" Barrel, SAGE EBR chassis, Schmidt & Bendar 5-25x or 3-12x on a QD mount to be able to swap for an EoTech 557 w/ 7.62mm reticle..... maybe someday...
Theres also a manufacturer in the States that does fake selector switches, to give the look of full auto, but its completley non-functional...
Kayser Sose
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- Southern Van Isle
-has $1000s to spend;
-willing to tie his money, time and energy up to import 'the right gun' from the U.S;
-CrAzY requirements he'd (she'd) like this rifle to fulfill (not quite sure myself whether Xiao has cottoned on that un-nerfed (?) per their specs just don't exist up here;
...something's fishy here. Maybe because he's like me, but doesn't quite get the nuances of firearms ownership in Canada yet... or is trying to abet an illegal transaction.
Just sayin'.
-willing to tie his money, time and energy up to import 'the right gun' from the U.S;
-CrAzY requirements he'd (she'd) like this rifle to fulfill (not quite sure myself whether Xiao has cottoned on that un-nerfed (?) per their specs just don't exist up here;
...something's fishy here. Maybe because he's like me, but doesn't quite get the nuances of firearms ownership in Canada yet... or is trying to abet an illegal transaction.
Just sayin'.
Kayser Sose
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Upon scanning previous posts, Xiao states a potential lack of interest in a Classic Green, as it's a 'nerfed' rifle.
Xiao doesn't get it yet. He should have been shopping in 1990... and the his accurized TRW M14 could be languishing in his safe right now.
Or he's an anti, lurking.
Don't mean to be a #### but you gotta get it in your head that 'un-nerfed' military rifles just can't be got in Canada. It's a total drag, but there it is. And they're not going to be coming from the U.S, that avenue's been closed for sometime by U.S policy. Your choices up here are limited to what's been listed here by good and informed people.
Earlier you wondered why peeps here had a problem understating what you were after; I'm wondering why you aren't getting it yet.
Sorry for my ire folks, but something's not right here.
Xiao doesn't get it yet. He should have been shopping in 1990... and the his accurized TRW M14 could be languishing in his safe right now.
Or he's an anti, lurking.
Don't mean to be a #### but you gotta get it in your head that 'un-nerfed' military rifles just can't be got in Canada. It's a total drag, but there it is. And they're not going to be coming from the U.S, that avenue's been closed for sometime by U.S policy. Your choices up here are limited to what's been listed here by good and informed people.
Earlier you wondered why peeps here had a problem understating what you were after; I'm wondering why you aren't getting it yet.
Sorry for my ire folks, but something's not right here.
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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
I had my suspicions before.
Then I read this;
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=653941
Now I'm almost sure of it!
I found that the DMR version of it may be a semi auto, and the sniper version definitely is semi, which restored my interest in that gun, if I make the appropriate modifications. I'm hoping the DMR version is semi because it's a lot cheaper mod than the sniper version.
For a DMR I"d do a Springfield M1A w/ 24" Barrel, SAGE EBR chassis, Schmidt & Bendar 5-25x or 3-12x on a QD mount to be able to swap for an EoTech 557 w/ 7.62mm reticle..... maybe someday...
M1A is high on my list, since M14 was almost always deployed semi-auto only. Currently there are both semi and select versions of it in use as DMR's. This definitely fits. You're right some of the mods are expensive--I could do it in stages. Buy the gun first, and then eventually the optics.
The other big contender is the Swiss Arms SAPR. I'm trying to find out more about that, and hoping that the FRT will go unrestricted when it's processed.
In the long run I will probably end up with two rifles, something in a 5.56 and something in a 7.62 also. If I were to go out and buy them today it would be the Swiss Green and the M1A. The big question is which one first--probably the 5.56 first. I'm still looking into a few other possibilities though. I'm trying to find out if there are any semi versions of the German G36 deployed, which would put the SL-8 back on the table.
I'm also trying to find more about the QBU-88, it seems interesting but nobody has quality data on it, I don't know if it's any good. My misgiving there is it's been rechambered for export as a 5.56 but that is not how it's used. Also... quality? I wish there was firing/accuracy data available. It might be a really good gun. It might be a piece of junk.
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Something interesting came up with the M1A. I am looking for something that would be authentic, as-fielded, and also accurate. I realized when I was looking into the M1A that there is a practical trade-off there.
Springfield sell standard, loaded, national match, and super match versions of the M1A. The NM and SM versions are accurized versions, and have things like glass bedding, to make them match quality rifles.
Plainly glass bedding is entirely inappropriate in the field, as it makes the rifles more fragile, especially if you field strip them and remove the stock. The glass bedding would quickly be ruined, and that would destroy the accuracy of the rifle. The NM/SM rifles are obviously meant to be handled with care, and used primarily in competition. I noticed that the military DMRs appear to be based on something nearer the "loaded" version, with a national match barrel but (I think) without the glass bedding.
So there is an example of the sort of trade-off this thread is looking at. I would turn down the more accurate NM/SM rifles in favour of the loaded, even though they would fit within my budget, in order to have a gun that better reflects what is actually fielded.
Springfield sell standard, loaded, national match, and super match versions of the M1A. The NM and SM versions are accurized versions, and have things like glass bedding, to make them match quality rifles.
Plainly glass bedding is entirely inappropriate in the field, as it makes the rifles more fragile, especially if you field strip them and remove the stock. The glass bedding would quickly be ruined, and that would destroy the accuracy of the rifle. The NM/SM rifles are obviously meant to be handled with care, and used primarily in competition. I noticed that the military DMRs appear to be based on something nearer the "loaded" version, with a national match barrel but (I think) without the glass bedding.
So there is an example of the sort of trade-off this thread is looking at. I would turn down the more accurate NM/SM rifles in favour of the loaded, even though they would fit within my budget, in order to have a gun that better reflects what is actually fielded.
ginseng503
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I don't want to think this guy is a troll. It is more likely he is new and does not know our ways yet.
He has typed in some of his feelings, he doesn't know how bad it gets for people.
Dear Mr. Xiao Xiong,
There are people here fighting through all legal means to prevent the confiscation of everybody's firearms. Please do not say you don't mind this rule and that rule, because all the rules are a product of the gun grabber agenda.
We have orgs and reps working to modify or scrap the rules as best as can be done.
He has typed in some of his feelings, he doesn't know how bad it gets for people.
Dear Mr. Xiao Xiong,
There are people here fighting through all legal means to prevent the confiscation of everybody's firearms. Please do not say you don't mind this rule and that rule, because all the rules are a product of the gun grabber agenda.
We have orgs and reps working to modify or scrap the rules as best as can be done.
Really? Didn't realize that. Do they use some special bedding that is less susceptible to damage if the rifle is disassembled?
I'm honestly interested in this, and admit to being new here. What I know on this topic is what I've learned from google over the past month.
I'm assuming that removing the stock and putting it back one will sooner or later destroy the glass bedding, which will ruin the accuracy of the rifle.
Thus I would think that a rifle meant for "rough service" is better not to have the glass bedding, in which case there is nothing to destroy, and you can pull the thing apart and slam it back together as much as you like.
Thats wear, frequent removal will likely loosen the fit of the bedding, but so what. A skim bed later and your back in business. If you read through that thread you'll see you don't really need to pull it apart that often. I clean my 700 after every range session but pull it out of the stock maybe once a year. I think I've had my M14 out of the stock once...granted I can't take it to the range anymore....
M21's stayed in the stock. Cleaning of bore and gas system was done with rifle in the stock. They were taken apart and inspected once a year by armourers and if needed, re-bedded, tuned or rebuilt/parts replaced.
Put your M14 in a tight fitting usgi synthetic stock and it will be fine. Unitizing the gas system is a far more important factor in making it accurate.
If you have lots of money and want it as accurate as it can be, screw a Krieger heavy barrel onto whatever receiver you're using.
It comes down to the tube, unitizing and a good trigger on the M14. If you want to go further, bolt it into a Sage EBR or a JAE for rock solid stability.
I had an M1A in a Sage EBR stock, it had the cool factor but I prefer the classic M14 style rifles.
In the end you can throw all the money you want at it and it still won't be as accurate as a bolt gun, it has too many moving parts.
Watch the high speed of this NM rifle, see how much it moves around after the shot? That is what wears down the bedding. All those parts have to move consitently shot after shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFmVrfhBzHg&feature=related
The next issue is as soon as you get off the bench, in the prone, sitting, ect all that extra coin counts for nothing as only an expert shooter can exploit a sub moa rifle in the field.
If an M14 groups 1.5 MOA it is good. And a stock Norinco with basic tuning and some load development can achieve that.
Put your M14 in a tight fitting usgi synthetic stock and it will be fine. Unitizing the gas system is a far more important factor in making it accurate.
If you have lots of money and want it as accurate as it can be, screw a Krieger heavy barrel onto whatever receiver you're using.
It comes down to the tube, unitizing and a good trigger on the M14. If you want to go further, bolt it into a Sage EBR or a JAE for rock solid stability.
I had an M1A in a Sage EBR stock, it had the cool factor but I prefer the classic M14 style rifles.
In the end you can throw all the money you want at it and it still won't be as accurate as a bolt gun, it has too many moving parts.
Watch the high speed of this NM rifle, see how much it moves around after the shot? That is what wears down the bedding. All those parts have to move consitently shot after shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFmVrfhBzHg&feature=related
The next issue is as soon as you get off the bench, in the prone, sitting, ect all that extra coin counts for nothing as only an expert shooter can exploit a sub moa rifle in the field.
If an M14 groups 1.5 MOA it is good. And a stock Norinco with basic tuning and some load development can achieve that.
Kayser Sose
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- Southern Van Isle
I agree. I too do not wish Mr Xiao to be of the trollish persuasion. The enquiries just seemed to be... super persistent!
Mr Xiao, we shall meet and shoot one day and laugh about this thread. I hope.
I find the OP's avoidance of trollish accusations particularly trollish.
Regardless, we welcome all members here, even if you someone with ulterior motives that ends up looking like a fool and/or utilizes arguments elsewhere that have been proven to be inaccurate.
That being said...
....once is too many, quotes or no quotes. This applies to anyone else too.
Of course, my opinion is worth significantly less than $0.02.
Regardless, we welcome all members here, even if you someone with ulterior motives that ends up looking like a fool and/or utilizes arguments elsewhere that have been proven to be inaccurate.
That being said...
....once is too many, quotes or no quotes. This applies to anyone else too.
Of course, my opinion is worth significantly less than $0.02.
