Glock 17 for IPSC?

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Hey guys, I'm looking into purchasing my first entry level IPSC gun. I was looking at the glock however a lot of people are telling me because they are so light they are bad for beginners because of muzzle climb and it damaging target acquisitions while firing multiple shots. Is this the case? Am I better off getting a cz75? Thanks.


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I shot a17, and during factory ammo, yes it is subject to a lot of muzzle climb. Shooting loads tuned down to make Power Factor, (147's at 870 fps) it is quite tame. I will suggest grip tape from Eric Weissman, but as a beginner gun, it has served me well.

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I don't find recoil to be a problem with Glock because of the low bore axis. I have a G22 .40 and to me it has less recoil/flip than say a 9mm P226. Unless you shoot hot loads recoil won't be a problem. As for Glock vz CZ it all depends on what you like more, steel vs plastic? DAO vs DA/SA?
 
A Glock 17 is a fine pistol to shoot in IPSC. Several top guys in Alberta use a Glock. Advantage: every trigger pull is the same. No DA/SA transition. Disadvantage: every trigger pull is the same - the trigger pull weight must be 5lbs. or greater.

It takes time and effort to master the Glock trigger.

CZ75 Shadow is the most popular choice amongst the Production shooters. It's a fine pistol, not much more expensive than the Glock, and comes with decent sights out-of-the box.

I started out with a Glock and moved to a Shadow. IMHO, the Shadow is the way to go, but YMMV.

Truth be told, it really doesn't matter which one you pick - your match results will be determined by your abilities, not your equipment. (i.e. your equipment must function reliably, but a top shooter with an out-of-the box Glock will beat a novice shooter with a tricked out Sphinx 3000)
 
A CZ may be more forgiving for a less qualified shooter.

For a while there, top shooters around the world were sporting glock...and some were sporting CZ.

At the end of the day, don't expect the gun to bring you success, only practice can do that.
 
Shep546 said:
Hey guys, I'm looking into purchasing my first entry level IPSC gun. I was looking at the glock however a lot of people are telling me because they are so light they are bad for beginners because of muzzle climb and it damaging target acquisitions while firing multiple shots. Is this the case? Am I better off getting a cz75? Thanks.


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i uses a 17 in ipsc too. true that there's a fair amount of muzzle flip,specialy if you use factory ammo. on the other hand, if you're unable to shoot it decently doesn't mean you're going to shoot better with a steel pistol automatically.;)

realize that ipsc targets are posted at 7-10-15-and sometimes 25 metres away.

alphas zone aren't like bullseye targets,it's a larger area.

my point is,glocks can be worked out to reduce the recoil felt, but you might want to reload your own ammo , and working on FPS .

anyways, i'm delighted by the lightweight of those guns and find it's an advantage for me,reaquisition/follow shots are instinctives. many experienced shooters wins championships at national levels with those plastic guns, they must not be so bad lolol..

also, glocks haven't obstructive controls in the path of your grip, wich for me is great because i have large hands, so that's a plus for me.

it's all a matter of what works for you,or not. mine has grip tape, a stainless steel rod, a 13 spring, and after market sights, and i love it altough i'm going standard this year, for some reason i shoot my glock better than my shadow , exactly because i feel i get a better grip
 
The lighter weight of a Glock, or any other polymer pistol for that matter, can be an advantage in transitioning from one target to the next.

The design of the Glock actually affords it lower bore axis in relation To the grip than the Shadow. It could be argued that the grip angle helps to drive the pistol's bore down, assisting recoil control as well.
Overall, I think the Shadow and Glocks are very closely matched with regard to recoil- certainly closer than a lot of people believe.

The biggest disadvantages that I have experienced with running a G17 is in the design of the magwell 1) They could offer more of a flair, and 2)plug and flair the bottom rear of the grip- sometimes mags can get caught up here if the insertion is slightly off. It would also be nice if there was spring tension on the mags holding them in the grip. Mag releases can be limp with the ejection of the mag being delayed or caught up. If they ejected like mags on a USP, life would be good.
 
Thanks for the responses.

I understand a lot of you experienced guys use it for IPSC but like I said most of my experience shooting pistol is in the military which a lot of you know is laughable.

I was looking online and saw the CZ75B comes in a single action only model, I was thinking this would be great for IPSC (eliminates that nasty DA first shot). Does anyone know a dealer that carries/can bring these in?

Thanks
 
After just completing a Hoslter course with a Glock17, I am considering IPDA with the same HG.
I would not hesitate giving my G17 a chance if I were to try IPSC....but that's just me.
 
Shep546 said:
Thanks for the responses.

I understand a lot of you experienced guys use it for IPSC but like I said most of my experience shooting pistol is in the military which a lot of you know is laughable.

I was looking online and saw the CZ75B comes in a single action only model, I was thinking this would be great for IPSC (eliminates that nasty DA first shot). Does anyone know a dealer that carries/can bring these in?

Thanks
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If you go with a single action only you will no longer be able to shoot in production division. I guess it depends on what division you want to shoot in. Then there's the power factor to deal with. CRAFM (site sponsor) is i think the main CZ dealer.
 
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I started IPSC with a 40 caliber DA/SA SIG X-Five. The gun was later improved and now is just about as close to perfect as that trigger option can be. However, it's a big, heavy and expensive gun.

Recently I bought an FNP-45 as my second 45 ACP to my 1911. I really like the caliber but ammo is expensive. That said, the FNP is terrific. It has a combination Decocker/Safety that I like because it gives me flexibility. If I want to, I can use it in production as a DA/SA. The external safety gives me an optional SAO. The magazines hold 10 rounds or 15 if you shoot in the US.

I never thought I would like a poly-framed gun but I can't find anything in the FNP45 to complain about. I have the Competition model and the triggers are great. The top of the slide is pre milled for the installation of a Red Dot sight. A Trijicon RMR 07 is on order as is a set of tactical sights which are taller so as to co witness with the RDS.

As is, I find the FNP 45 more comfortable and faster to shoot than my custom 1911. While 45 may not be the best caliber choice for IPSC unless you reload, the same or similar gun is available in 9mm. To me, either would be a good choice.
 
recoil with the glock shouldn't be a biggee if you reload, i use 9x147 in a g26[short barrel] & the same load in a shadow. after market trigs etc take the glock right up there. i still like the cz better but i'm an old fart
 
I don't reload. I think the most logical thing for me to do would be try out a glock and a cz75 but the range I go to in nova scotia is pretty small I rarely see pistol shooters there and when I do it's some rich kid shooting his deagle or something.
 
The biggest advantage with IPSC production div. Is the downloaded ammo.
Get ahold of someone down your way that does reloads that meets PF. Wolf? BDX, AIM.

Get a Glock or a Shadow - You can't really go wrong with either.
 
Ive used a Glock 17 for IPSC - with factory amm0 its OK - Its a popular enough gun for Production. Ive also seen some very tricked G17/G22's and G34/35 in Standard. 40 is a more competitive caliber IMHO... (big slow bullet) ;)
 
I actually shot a guy's IPSC gun yesterday for a range safety course and it was a bone stock 17 with grip tape. This guy seemed retired and had lots of guns and he chose a 17. I asked him if there was any advantage going to a bigger calibre and he said not at all.
 
I started with a Gen 3 G17. Then got the Gen 4 G17.
Great starter guns for IPSC or IDPA. Just buy extra mags and a holster and the Glock will work. Eats any ammo you feed it and Wolf 124g makes power factor.

Just got a Shadow and they can be a little fussy. Factory mags are crap broke the plastic bottoms on 2 already and had to order the all steel mags. Got a 14 pound recoil springs to help cycle some loads. Shadows do not like some factory ammo. New grips for the Shadow were $140. WTF but feel great.

Very glad I started with the Glock. Gets the job done every time.
 
speedjunkiesracing said:
I started with a Gen 3 G17. Then got the Gen 4 G17.
Great starter guns for IPSC or IDPA. Just buy extra mags and a holster and the Glock will work. Eats any ammo you feed it and Wolf 124g makes power factor.

Just got a Shadow and they can be a little fussy. Factory mags are crap broke the plastic bottoms on 2 already and had to order the all steel mags. Got a 14 pound recoil springs to help cycle some loads. Shadows do not like some factory ammo. New grips for the Shadow were $140. WTF but feel great.

Very glad I started with the Glock. Gets the job done every time.
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By the sounds of it you should have stuck with the Glock lol.
 
Onagoth said:
One of the biggest reasons anyone owns glock is that there is almost never any issues....with anything.

He's not alone in this opinion
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I know, i have and have owned several. But he had probs when he switched to the CZ, why i said he should have stuck with the Glock.;)
 
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