How to properly(and easily) haul moose out of the bush

308BAR said:
Again you're not reading the BC regs correctly it says "helicopter".

You could use aircraft beaver, bush planes fixed wing to transport hunters and game.

HELICOPTER = illegal in BC
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Agreed. We have to draw the line somewhere. And in BC it's with helicopters. And I don't find it unreasonable. Inconvienent, yes. Unreasonable, no. I remember the last sheep hunt I was on, dear lord, how I wished for a helicopter. Even if I was dropped off at the bottom of the mountain and had to hump up there myself, just the ability to have a helicopter drop off my camp gear up at the alipine lake would have been a godsend. No such luck. But then, that is what seperates the men from the boys. The men will hike up that hill. The boys sit and whine about how helicopter hunting should be totally legal.
 
G P said:
There is no difference in using a helicopter or an atv to recover an animal.
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Agree...Other than being able to afford it.
Or a motor boat for that matter.

Watever it takes to get it out asap is fine by me...Much better than spoiled meat.....
 
Amphibious said:
saw 12 moose, 5 bears, and 2 caribou today flying around. was a good day :)




i work hard for my meat. a hunt is not supposed to be easy. it's supposed to remind us where we came from and how much we take for granted. a couple pics from a successful goat hunt 3 weeks ago for you. I'm guessing you judge from your treestand a 10min walk from the minivan? i packed mr. billy off the mountain solo, for the second time in my life. don't you pretend to know anything about my hunting. when I want advice on how to shoot a fawn next to a bucket of corn from a treehouse, i'll fly out east and visit you :)

i'm the black speck in the red circle.

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Well you'd be guessing wrong...but that's not really suprising.
 
308BAR said:
Again you're not reading the BC regs correctly it says "helicopter".

You could use aircraft beaver, bush planes fixed wing to transport hunters and game.

HELICOPTER = illegal in BC
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You're right, which is why my last post read;

OK, so I suppose I was wrong, it's illegal in BC. However, it's a moot point as this video wasn't shot in BC.
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riden said:
I can only speak for AB, but I thought the law said you can't hunt the same day you fly in (or maybe it's 4 or 6 hours after you fly). Does this not apply to helicopters too?
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You are correct, I believe it is 12 hours, something I would definitley brush up on if I was going on a fly in...

The waiting time is part of the principal of fair chase... It is there to prevent hunters from being flown around spotting from the air and then dropped off in the immediate vicinity of game and proceed to hunt...

Helicopters are still a no go...
 
bearkilr said:
The game was hanging from the helicopter dead. Exactly how did you deduce that they used the chopper for spotting the moose? You have zero proof of that.

If I see a guy with a moose in the bed of his pick-up, that automatically means he was road hunting from his truck? :confused:

I'm willing to make a bet it is not illegal to use an aircraft to retrieve a game animal in BC. I know for a fact it's not illegal in MB.
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Sorry I ruffled your feather bud... I was not insinuating in anyway that this moose was spotted from the air and shot... I was just stating the reason why it is illegal in BC to use a helicopter for hunting purposes...
 
Using the helicopter to scout game, no way--I get that and agree.

But to get the carcass out, I don't get that? What is the difference between that and a guided hunt? How many guys out there pay someone else to do all the scouting, calling, setting up camp. Then they shoot their moose and watch the guide dress it while they drink coffee.

I don't see how one is right and one is wrong?
 
captonion said:
Agree...Other than being able to afford it.
Or a motor boat for that matter.

Watever it takes to get it out asap is fine by me...Much better than spoiled meat.....
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You are allowed to use a "power boat" to retrieve dead or wounded game as long as noone in the boat is in posession of a loaded firearm. (Pg 17, under "retrieval")
 
riden said:
Using the helicopter to scout game, no way--I get that and agree.

But to get the carcass out, I don't get that? What is the difference between that and a guided hunt? How many guys out there pay someone else to do all the scouting, calling, setting up camp. Then they shoot their moose and watch the guide dress it while they drink coffee.

I don't see how one is right and one is wrong?
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Yeah, I tend to agree, there really isn't that much of a difference is there...
 
ckid said:
You are correct, I believe it is 12 hours, something I would definitley brush up on if I was going on a fly in...

The waiting time is part of the principal of fair chase... It is there to prevent hunters from being flown around spotting from the air and then dropped off in the immediate vicinity of game and proceed to hunt...

Helicopters are still a no go...
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6 hours. (Pg 18 #26). Which is perfect, get to your location, get your,camp set up, eat something and and you should be good to go.
 
I think I found a loop hole in the regulations. Or just realized moving game with a helicopter is legal. (Page 14 of regs "Illegal transporting"). "The definition of a transporter... Means a person who for money or other compinsation transports a hunter to, from or between locations so that person can hunt but does not include a person who operates a scheduled commercial flight or chartered aircraft *Unless the person also provides ground transportation, accommodation or other ground services to the hunter*". So technically, if you charter a chopper to haul your animal out its not considered a "transporter" provided the company doesn't provide ground transport or accommodations or other ground services. According to this regulation and thus can be moved via helicopter since it doesn't fall under the definition of "transporter" and so the regulation of "transporting" hunters or wildlife by helicopter doesn't really apply.
 
bearkilr said:
Loaded firearm in powerboat is always illegal ,IIRC
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Interesting note: Regs also state that if your boat is not considered a "power boat" if your boat powered by an outboard motor and you have it tilted back or otherwise disengaged so its not available for immediate use. (Pg 5)
 
Qhergt said:
I think I found a loop hole in the regulations. Or just realized moving game with a helicopter is legal. (Page 14 of regs "Illegal transporting"). "The definition of a transporter... Means a person who for money or other compinsation transports a hunter to, from or between locations so that person can hunt but does not include a person who operates a scheduled commercial flight or chartered aircraft *Unless the person also provides ground transportation, accommodation or other ground services to the hunter*". So technically, if you charter a chopper to haul your animal out its not considered a "transporter" provided the company doesn't provide ground transport or accommodations or other ground services. According to this regulation and thus can be moved via helicopter since it doesn't fall under the definition of "transporter" and so the regulation of "transporting" hunters or wildlife by helicopter doesn't really apply.
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in BC this loophole has been tried. it doesn't fly. you'll get slapped HARD by transport canada and Fish & Game. the hunt ends when you get your meat home or to the butcher. although, I have hear of guys having equipment for a hunt heli'd in during the summer. apparently this is legal. but once the hunt starts, in BC, no helicopters.
 
Amphibious said:
First off, if you NEED vertical lift to recover your moose you screwed up. why did you shoot a moose in such an inaccessible location? why did you shoot a moose when you could not ensure the follow-up shots needed to prevent it from getting to such a location could be made? why are you so lazy?

A fixed wing aircraft is fairly limited on where it can land, and more importantly, take off with a load from. a helicopter doesn't even have to land to recover your game. longline descends, you hook on moose, you fly away. ta-da! you just became one lazy "hunter". you didn't have to get the animal to the aircraft, the aircraft came to your animal.

correct me if i'm wrong but yukon/NWT/Quebec put limitations on where helicopters can land and operate from when hunting is involved. IIRC it's pre-authorized fixed locations. they can't just fly you to a hill with game on it and kick you out.

the Quad/truck argument is bunk too, if your quad/truck can get there, you could get there on foot and pack out the moose. still ensure the essence of the hunt. a helicopter lets you go ANYWHERE.

i just realized some of you probably also hunt next to timed feeders, so i might as well be talking to a wall.
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it isnt often that my arrogant self centered omniscient mind is changed...

As i read this thread I thought to myself, without knowing the story I would reserve comment... after reading the quoted post I thought to myself - exactly !

30 years ago my dad took me to hundred mile ( I grew up in BC) to go moose hunting... we saw a moose and I raised my gun - my dad said - can you hit it ? where will your bullet go if you miss ? if you knock it down now can we get it out of the bush with a days effort ?

I teach hunter safety now and I still teach that idea...

Cheers :cheers:
 
ethics and laws are slippery. at one time, baiting grizzly was THE WAY to hunt them, now it is illegal and considered unethical.

lots of people now consider things like trunting and electronic calls unethical, even though they are legal for some game..

beef is cheaper than helicopter time.

how about a waiver of sorts, helicopters can be used, but the horns have to be turned in.
 
Amphibious said:
in BC this loophole has been tried. it doesn't fly. you'll get slapped HARD by transport canada and Fish & Game. the hunt ends when you get your meat home or to the butcher. although, I have hear of guys having equipment for a hunt heli'd in during the summer. apparently this is legal. but once the hunt starts, in BC, no helicopters.
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Oh I don't doubt you would slapped around because of it. But there is enough there that you can fight it and have a pretty good chance. Unless there's some other regulations involved here, I can see that if it went to court you could easily argue the "transport" definition in the wildlife act and the "reasonable efforts to retrieve game". Not to mention BCWF would most likely back you up, and I bet the media outcry would for sure help your case. Not to mention I'm sure a few hippies and anti-hunter crowds would be a bit irate at someone being prosecuted for trying to recover a killed animal so it doesn't go to waste. Of course, if you really had the money, you could have a mobile crane choppered in. Nothing in the wildlife or hunting regs about helo-ing in construction equipment.
 
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