2011 IPSC Canadian Nationals match statistics

Thanks for the video.

I am surprised for a few reasons; Production tends to have competitors using commercial ammo (at least I thought so), the debate around bullet weight has always been 6 of one and half a dozen of the other (some prefer 135gn which is difficult to source), and finally cost, it is surprising that most are paying more for a heavier bullet.

You can't argue with the numbers, so there may be something to it.
 
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paying more? It is about thesame price....about $5 difference per 1000 by my calculations......
$5 is a coffee and bagel at Tim Hortons. We spend $$ thousands $$ on guns, gear, mags, sights, holsters, mag pouches, gas money, primers, powder, shirts, eye protection, ear protection, hotels, registration, membership.....but if you think a serious shooter (or even half serious shooter) in Canada would not use 147gr as opposed to 124 because of $5......you may be mistaken. In my area it is about what is available! This file has been sent off to Canadian BDX, and I have a feeling the 147gr he was getting ready will be on the front burner for this season (2012).
 
No doubt you are correct. I am an open shooter and am acutely aware of the cost. Just surprised because Production is a division that is attractive due to the economics. A natural extension thereof is to use commercial ammo e.g. BDX. To make the leap to reloading incurs a substantial cost. So it is interesting that at a Nationals most shooters were reloading and using 147gn, which I am sure would not correspond to the profile of a shooter at Club or even Provincial level.
 
ahh....I thought you were writing from a production shooters perpective....my bad:redface:

because I sell Canadian BDX/ Combat masters products, I use them as well, including the 180gr loaded for standard major, and the 124gr production load (although I prefer the 147gr Speer loaded ammo he makes runs of). If I was not selling Kurt's products, i would still be using them. (note-I have been using his loaded ammo since early 2006) Locally, the BDX 124gr is used by some production shooters, but more goes to Open shooters.

I use the 124gr BDX loaded ammo as well,...I don't seem to notice a difference when shooting a stage, but I notice it when practicing. slide moves a bit faster,...which is a good thing, but I notice slightly more muzzle flip as opposed to the 147gr.
 
race1911 said:
Any idea what that actual ratio of 147gr versus 124 gr was ??
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29.7% - 124gr
42.2% - 147gr
28.1% - Other/Unspecified

AIM prices per 1000 are $94.00 for 124gr and $107 for 147gr or even cheaper if you buy more or use match day price.

At BrantShootingSports CapPros prices are $101 for 124gr and $107 for 147gr (+HST).

For me there is a huge difference in the felt recoil, so extra $10 on the price is totally worth it. Though with Shadow you have to run 147gr close to 135PF to have gun cycle reliably.
 
First off - Euxx - thanks for the stats, your time, effort and so on!!! Much appreciated!!

Also, just personal opinion - 147gr bullet will be sub-sonic with PF125+ - and theoretically more accurate.

From personal experience thou - my reloads with 124gr bullet and Clays powder feel as soft if not softer than 147gr over TG; and Clays is much cleaner burning than TG; it also has lower burning temp thus prolonging barrel life (again, somewhat in theory :D). Your powder measure has to handle flake powders well thou as Clays is flakes as opposed to TG.

Euxx, do you know what guns Russians used in Greece at Worlds'? They did pretty well, and had quite a few competitors!!
 
CeeZer said:
First off - Euxx - thanks for the stats, your time, effort and so on!!! Much appreciated!!
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You are welcome. I only processed questionaries collected by Philty

CeeZer said:
Also, just personal opinion - 147gr bullet will be sub-sonic with PF125+ - and theoretically more accurate.
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124gr is also subsonic and at 1116 ft/s * 124gr = 138PF

CeeZer said:
From personal experience thou - my reloads with 124gr bullet and Clays powder feel as soft if not softer than 147gr over TG; and Clays is much cleaner burning than TG; it also has lower burning temp thus prolonging barrel life (again, somewhat in theory :D). Your powder measure has to handle flake powders well thou as Clays is flakes as opposed to TG.
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I am using Clays Universal. Clays seem too fast for 9mm.

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Euxx, do you know what guns Russians used in Greece at Worlds'? They did pretty well, and had quite a few competitors!!
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Most used CZs. There was few Sphinxes. They been very unhappy about the match ammo, it was very dirty.

http://www.nikit.in/
http://theobject.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174
 
Fwiw I used to shoot the heavy bullets, 145, 147, when I shot a Glock in IPSC and at the time I really likes the feel. I've been playing with an M&P Pro lately and after trying (factory) 115, 124 and 147 grain loads, Winchester white box, I'm really starting to like the 115 loads. I've got a couple hundred 115gr bullets to try, I've got some autocomp and I'll see why I come up with.
 
euxx said:
You are welcome. I only processed questionaries collected by Philty



124gr is also subsonic and at 1116 ft/s * 124gr = 138PF



I am using Clays Universal. Clays seem too fast for 9mm.



Most used CZs. There was few Sphinxes. They been very unhappy about the match ammo, it was very dirty.

http://www.nikit.in/
http://theobject.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174
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Cool, thanx bro!!

I load 124gr bullet to 1050ft/s -- looks like WAY subsonic then :D

Clays IS a very good powder for 124gr bullet. It IS fast for 147gr one thou.
 
PH Racing said:
Fwiw I used to shoot the heavy bullets, 145, 147, when I shot a Glock in IPSC and at the time I really likes the feel. I've been playing with an M&P Pro lately and after trying (factory) 115, 124 and 147 grain loads, Winchester white box, I'm really starting to like the 115 loads. I've got a couple hundred 115gr bullets to try, I've got some autocomp and I'll see why I come up with.
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I'm sorry, guys who compete don't go to a range to shoot only 200 rounds :D :D
 
PH Racing said:
Fwiw I used to shoot the heavy bullets, 145, 147, when I shot a Glock in IPSC and at the time I really likes the feel. I've been playing with an M&P Pro lately and after trying (factory) 115, 124 and 147 grain loads, Winchester white box, I'm really starting to like the 115 loads. I've got a couple hundred 115gr bullets to try, I've got some autocomp and I'll see why I come up with.
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I don't have stats on how many M&Ps were in the Open division at the Canadian Nationals, but AutoComp is a great powder for Open. :D
 
euxx said:
I don't have stats on how many M&Ps were in the Open division at the Canadian Nationals, but AutoComp is a great powder for Open. :D
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ouch....right in the mommy daddy button...LOL
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It is a shame though...we had one shooter almost thrown into open with the Pro at Summer SLam. The gun is as it comes fromthe factory,..but just a really good factory trigger.
 
maurice said:
ouch....right in the mommy daddy button...LOL
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It is a shame though...we had one shooter almost thrown into open with the Pro at Summer SLam. The gun is as it comes fromthe factory,..but just a really good factory trigger.
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Lol...yeah unlike the CZ shooters who modify their gun with Several "factory" parts. Which one seems more in line with a Production division?
 
PH Racing said:
Lol, well I normally practice with 500 rounds, but since I only have a couple of hundred I'll have to make do...
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No worries. Jay from Berry's sent me 250 bullets to test and report back. I prolly still have about 200 bullets left ... :D
It all depends on how you do it...

I'll let anyone who is willing to have the remaining bullets, for free, you come and pick them up.

The bullet is hollow base one:

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