I'm kida confused as to what can be readily exported from the States and what can't... I get you can pay an importer to bring in a whole rifle(with some caveats) or a receiver but I was curious more about buying USGI stuff from individuals and having it sent here? Ie bolts, sights, flash hiders, oprods, etc. Is there a definitive list as to what can leave the states without having to go through an importer and what cannot? Is it along the lines of M1A parts are ok but M14 are a no go (hence no USGI)? Any and all help would be appreciated!
What USGI stuff is/isn't exportable from the States?
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In the US, M14s (the real ones) are considered machine guns. Thus the state department considers the parts for them (USGI) to be war material. Thus they are not supposed to be exported to civilians. M1A parts are subject to the standard stuff if the parts are worth more than $100, or if the parts are major components (bolt, barrel) they will require an export certificate.
Elvis...I can give you a site to get a rear sight, USGI...out of country though.
Let's go for a jeep ride again and discuss...now you know who I am!
Guys, it is illegal, period, for any US citizen to buy and ship you what are considered "essential" gun parts. This includes stocks, any and all internals, including bolts, barrels, or any other part of the gun.
The ONLY exception to this is if the citizen, acting as a business or not, has a valid export liscence. Some parts require US state department approval for export, such as bolts, barrels, receivers, whole firearms, complete triggers and any item deemed an essential part that exceeds a certain value. This value is 100 to 300.00 dpending who in the US you talk to.
Sights, scope mounts, bipods, grips, and a few other items deemed by US state department to be NON essential firearm parts, do not fall under a maximum value and are NOT subject to state department approval.... BUT AGAIN, the sender/shipper/seller and in most cases the manufacturer MUST be liscenced for export. If the item's manufacturer or distributor at origin does not have the item export liscenced, ANY U.S. Citizen acting alone or as a business, is comitting an offense if they ship the item to you.
It is really, that simple.
The ONLY exception to this is if the citizen, acting as a business or not, has a valid export liscence. Some parts require US state department approval for export, such as bolts, barrels, receivers, whole firearms, complete triggers and any item deemed an essential part that exceeds a certain value. This value is 100 to 300.00 dpending who in the US you talk to.
Sights, scope mounts, bipods, grips, and a few other items deemed by US state department to be NON essential firearm parts, do not fall under a maximum value and are NOT subject to state department approval.... BUT AGAIN, the sender/shipper/seller and in most cases the manufacturer MUST be liscenced for export. If the item's manufacturer or distributor at origin does not have the item export liscenced, ANY U.S. Citizen acting alone or as a business, is comitting an offense if they ship the item to you.
It is really, that simple.
So what if a guy was to go down and purchase items that are ok to import and bring them back? For example our laws are based on the receiver or frame. If I buy an AR15 barrel and bring it across the US won't check and if I pay the tax?
Seafury, and anyone else contemplating such an endeavor.... IT IS ILLEGAL IN THE USA for a foreigner to purchase and be in possesion of firearms parts and ammunition.... Period.
I'll be clear about the first step of LEGALLY obtaining any gun part from the U.S.
The manufacturer and distributor/retailer MUST have a valid export liscence for the item to cross the border, even if it grows legs and walks itself across the US border.
Liscenced importers and some CGN dealers can help you aquire what is legally exportable.... Support them instead of putting yourself at risk for attempting circumvent ITAR and the US State Department
I'll be clear about the first step of LEGALLY obtaining any gun part from the U.S.
The manufacturer and distributor/retailer MUST have a valid export liscence for the item to cross the border, even if it grows legs and walks itself across the US border.
Liscenced importers and some CGN dealers can help you aquire what is legally exportable.... Support them instead of putting yourself at risk for attempting circumvent ITAR and the US State Department
Actually, sometimes they check. Sometimes people are stopped while they are leaving the US and their vehicles are searched to see if they are smuggling anything out of the country. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
If for some reason they have got wind of what you are up to your license plate may be in their computer and your car may be flagged for a search...
Loud and clear. I may seem as dense as plutonium when it comes to Norinco M14's but I'm no idiot. I won't mess with the Department of Homeland Severity.
I have been trying for almost a year to get some Armalite parts through their distributor here and no luck. We are not talking about bolts, receivers or barrels. I'm talking about a free floating hand guard and a barrel tube.
It's not just that either. Most people will gladly support the local guy but the price almost doubles comming up. A wilson match barrel from Armalite is $225 direct.
I have been trying for almost a year to get some Armalite parts through their distributor here and no luck. We are not talking about bolts, receivers or barrels. I'm talking about a free floating hand guard and a barrel tube.
It's not just that either. Most people will gladly support the local guy but the price almost doubles comming up. A wilson match barrel from Armalite is $225 direct.
There are a few exceptions. The main one is that if you are planning to be in the US for 90 days, there's paperwork you can fill out on entry that will allow you to make purchases after you have been there for 90 days. You have to get that paperwork when you enter the USA, and then prove you've been there for 90 days before making the purchase. You also need a hunting license or similar permit. That could be useful for "snowbirds" and others who spend an extended period of time in the USA. And you still have to file the export paperwork to bring it home...
But for the average person on a trip of a few weeks or less you are right.
Yes, you are correct. Those with a permit to be in posession of a firearm in the US like hunters, competition shooters and those liscenced in some states for handgun carry have the ability to purchase ammo and such.
For average joe runnin across for milk cheese gas ect, buying gun parts or ammo is verboten.
Thats cause all the people here in Canada alread did. I keep on hearing from the older guys buying collectors packs from lever arms that had all surplus H&R, TRW, Sprinfield & Winchester M14's left over from Isreal. Just wish I was old enough to buy a couple of creates back in the day cause I would be sitting on a small fortune in parts.
And those were the good old days when I had many, many USGI M14's come through my hands and get accurized. Well, today it's a tad different. Now we have a near infinite number of M14's land on our shores, and they lend themselves so dearly to tweaking, just like the USGI ones asked for.
The $ 400 Norc M14 is the closest deal we will ever get these days when many years from now, several of us will ask, "Why didn't I get a couple of those when I had the chance?"
In the meantime, keep your / our noses clean and avoid getting in any sort of trouble with the US Authorities. It ain't worth it!
Cheers and Peace !
Barney
Just to clarify, Firearms optics, optic mounts, shotguns, and shotgun parts are controlled by the U.S. Commerce Dept.............Although the U.S. State Dept. may also control some of the above.......such as items used by the military.......
As said,most items can be imported legally exported out of the U.S, but you must have patience, find the appropriate licensed dealer, and fill out the correct paperwork......
The U.S. does roving spot checks at the border crossings, and they are not pleasant.
A few CGN'rs have related their border check/search experiences to me and they have not been nice..........
As said,most items can be imported legally exported out of the U.S, but you must have patience, find the appropriate licensed dealer, and fill out the correct paperwork......
The U.S. does roving spot checks at the border crossings, and they are not pleasant.
A few CGN'rs have related their border check/search experiences to me and they have not been nice..........
