Slug Changeover for the Mossberg Pumps

[mosinmaster]

Magpul teaches to cycle the round in the chamber out, and surf the round on the loading tray out, losing 2 rounds.

I learned of a way to only lose 1 round.

1. During the initial phase of sliding the pump back, use your thumb and press in on the next shell in the mag tube, then cycle the action fully back ejecting the round in the chamber.
2. Insert slug into chamber
3. (Optional), load 2nd slug in mag tube.

Here's the video on YouTube teaching this: http://youtu.be/gLqHxT-j_RQ

I think with practice you can get up to speed with the Magpul method, and not lose 2 rounds, especially in a gun that doesn't have a high mag capacity.

let me know if this works for you guys.

 

[870P]

I'd like to get a slug select drill downloaded into the ol' unconscious muscle memory, but I wonder how real world useful it is outside of canned scenarios?

 

[mosinmaster]

In hunting scenarios.. maybe the deer is farther out than what 00 buckshot could do, so a quick swap in for a slug would be better.

 

[sparq]

Will have to try this with my dad's 500, but is the sequence significantly different from a Reminton 870/887? I've found, through training, that the pump can be pulled back to a position that'll eject the chambered round (not EJECT eject, but sit it on the extractor so that you can peel it out with a finger). Some guys had Mossy 590s on the same course and I didn't hear of any particular problem with that, though if you screw it up you can end up with a round chambered and twio more on top of the ramp....I did that a few times


At any rate, fast slug changeout is fun when you get the hang of it

 

[870P]

In hunting scenarios.. maybe the deer is farther out than what 00 buckshot could do, so a quick swap in for a slug would be better.

Yeah maybe, it just seems like an awful lot of emphasis is put into what has be an uncommon requirement in the real world.

 

[mosinmaster]

I think you can peel the round in the chamber out. The Mossberg uses dual extractors, so we'll see. But the method is pretty much the same as the Remington 870 method outlined in Magpul. I wonder why they didn't think of that with the Mossberg in the first place...

 

[Boomer]

There are slug select drills out there that work for almost any gun you can think of. Perhaps the best for a conventional pump like a Remington or a Mossberg is to leave room in the magazine to add an additional round. If you need to slug select, it is a simple matter of pushing the slug into the magazine and cycling the action, loosing only the round in the chamber.

 

[mmatt]

I'm with Boomer. Chances are, if you're in a real world scenario where you are shooting zombies, you probably don't have you're mag topped up anyway as you've probably already been shooting. Just shove a slug into the tube, pump and shoot. If you're hunting, you don't need your mag topped up, so just leave room for one more and you'll be set.

If your mag IS topped up, and you need that slug 30 seconds ago, pump once, shove a slug in the tube, pump again and shoot. Yes, you lose two buckshot or birdshot or whatever, but gross motor skills and ingrained muscle memory trumps having to try and "surf" one out of the receiver and then fumbling around trying to get one back in.

If this is a hunting situation, you can always go back for the dumped shells later. If in a combat situation, do what you can. It always sucks to lose ammo, but consider the options; 3 seconds and lose 2 rounds, or 6 seconds and lose 1? A lot can happen in those extra 3 seconds.

 

[mosinmaster]

I found a better video that is clearer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3YVTgAxJ8&feature=colike

 

[TDC]

In hunting scenarios.. maybe the deer is farther out than what 00 buckshot could do, so a quick swap in for a slug would be better.

Hunting with buckshot is a poor option to begin with. That being said, if you hunt with slugs, get a rifle!

There are slug select drills out there that work for almost any gun you can think of. Perhaps the best for a conventional pump like a Remington or a Mossberg is to leave room in the magazine to add an additional round. If you need to slug select, it is a simple matter of pushing the slug into the magazine and cycling the action, loosing only the round in the chamber.

The method you describe is by far the easiest to learn and to put into practice. However, you are losing two rounds, the one chambered, and the one you didn't stuff in the tube to allow room for the slug changeover.

Bottom line, shotguns are difficult beasts to run especially when it comes to select loads/slug changeover. Everyone's gun is different, semi's and pumps are different again. Limited range, limited capacity, heavy recoil, all add up to a less than ideal system.

TDC

 

[flipincanadian]

I think this video describes the best way to do a slug changeover, although he starts with an empty chamber as if he's bailed out of his cruiser.

TDC pretty much covered it, the shotgun can be a tough beast to run, but it definitely has its place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4-Ag-TnyI&feature=related

 

[vangarreth]

Regardless of real world practicality, knowing how to do this correctly is an asset. I mainly pop pumpkins and coffee tins with my 590a1, and sometimes I've got 8 in the tube and see something 60 meters away that just needs to have a slug through it I don't care that the Magpul scenarios don't apply to me, not about to shoot somebody through a car door. Knowing how to do so quickly is just peace of mind

 

[tjhaile]

In hunting scenarios.. maybe the deer is farther out than what 00 buckshot could do, so a quick swap in for a slug would be better.

Or you could just use slugs only for scenarios in which it is likely that you may have to make a shot at greater than across-the-room type distances. Why would anybody choose buckshot for deer, given the choice?

Some rule of thumb along the line of "slugs for outdoors, buckshot for indoors" will minimize the likelihood of having to transition to slugs.