22-250 and 223 for deer

[Dukester]

Sad news for some of the aggressive posters in this thread, I did not, have not and will not lose any credibility over this

Ignore those types hillmanr2, they are likely lacking in life experience and jealous that you have anyone that will listen to you in real life!!

And I thank you for this thread for without it we wouldn't have Boomers posts, which I value.

 

[hillmanr2]

Ignore those types hillmanr2, they are likely lacking in life experience and jealous that you have anyone that will listen to you in real life!!

And I thank you for this thread for without it we wouldn't have Boomers posts, which I value.

LOL

 

[Raton57]

There is no way that a .22lr can penetrate the armour plating hidden under the fur of whitetails. You must use at least a .30 cal, anything else proves that you are an idiot and you dont know balistics.

My first two deer were with a 22.The first was with a 22 short and the next was a long rifle. This was almost 50 years ago when deer were not as tough as they seem to be now.

 

[Hunt&Hook]

Hmmmm.... Just a thought here....

Hasn't the .223 been killing deer sized animals since it was developed just for that use in 1963?

 

[anchor3593]

I have quite enjoyed reading the recent responses here - a different sort of guys are talking now.

If we set aside our notions of what is a "good" bullet, and the question of ethics in doing what I did - there are things to be learned from those pictures.

What are they?

 

[DOUGLAS D]

I have quite enjoyed reading the recent responses here - a different sort of guys are talking now.

If we set aside our notions of what is a "good" bullet, and the question of ethics in doing what I did - there are things to be learned from those pictures.

What are they?

What I have learned from this thread is that on ocassion it is possible to photograph a deer killed with a lightweight varmint bullet.
What is impossible to do is photograph the deer wounded with lightweight varmint bullets.

What is possible is to do is handload a 22 caliber bullet specifically designed to take deer sized game. (Barnes TSX and Nosler Partition) and successfully take deer sized animals.
At that point there isnt a dimes worth of difference between the 22-250 and a .243 in my humble opinion.

What is impossible to do is prevent people from shooting deer with a bullet designed to vaporize on a groundsquirrel no matter if said bullet is shot from a 22-250 or a .300 Magnum.

What I already knew prior to this thread is that the V in V-Max stands for "Varmint" and Hornady sells it for that reason.
I've shot a lot of the earlier 40 grain Hornady SX's through 22-250 and 220 Swift.
They are one heck of a coyote killer but I'm not ready to take them deer hunting any time soon.

Just my .02 cents for what its worth...

 

[rral22]

It's possible to shingle a roof with a tack hammer. It's also possible to take pictures of a roof that was shingled with a tack hammer. There are, however, lots of very good reasons why people who shingle roofs don't use a tack hammer.

Why is there so much desire to use inappropriate tools expressed on this thread, when there are so many tools that were designed for the purpose, and which will work even better? What would you all think of someone who showed up to shingle your roof with a tiny little hammer?

 

[DOUGLAS D]

It's possible to shingle a roof with a tack hammer. It's also possible to take pictures of a roof that was shingled with a tack hammer. There are, however, lots of very good reasons why people who shingle roofs don't use a tack hammer.

Why is there so much desire to use inappropriate tools expressed on this thread, when there are so many tools that were designed for the purpose, and which will work even better? What would you all think of someone who showed up to shingle your roof with a tiny little hammer?

Couldnt have said it better.

 

[captonion]

Why is there so much desire to use inappropriate tools expressed on this thread, when there are so many tools that were designed for the purpose, and which will work even better? What would you all think of someone who showed up to shingle your roof with a tiny little hammer?

I have no issues with a 223 for deer, so long as the shooter thinks like a bow hunter in way of shot placement....

 

[Dukester]

At that point there isnt a dimes worth of difference between the 22-250 and a .243 in my humble opinion.

I believe the mass of the projectile affects both it's ability to penetrate reliably, and to perform it's design function reliably.

Unless there are big game designed .223 bullets in the 100 grain range it is not even close to a .243, in my opinion.

 

[DOUGLAS D]

Unless there are big game designed .223 bullets in the 100 grain range it is not even close to a .243, in my opinion.

If there was in fact a .224 diameter bullet that weighed 100 grains wouldnt it in fact have a higher sectional density than say a 100 grain .243 diameter bullet?
Would it then not stand to reason that the 22 caliber 100 grain with a sectional density of .284 would out penetrate the .243 100 grain bullet with a lesser sectional density of .24?

 

[anchor3593]

Trusting my seat belt, having an airbag, having insurance, free health care, driving a junker and never having experienced pain, may give contribute to an attitude that makes me a less-than-attentive driver. I dare say that we can all bring up more memories of careless big-gun shooters than little-gun shooters. Maybe carrying a big gun does not make them ethical. Semi-auto shooters might seem to need more shots to kill a deer than bolt action guys. If I had extra power - lots of it - and/or endless followup shots, I suppose that I might depend on those things - and become a "less-than-attentive" shooter - and have much more dog food from an expensive tag.

Douglas D : I like the way you are thinking now. Maybe the smaller bullet can be made to tumble end over end once it hits - to compensate for the smaller diameter.

No time to talk now - off to watch deer.

 

[senior]

If there was in fact a .224 diameter bullet that weighed 100 grains wouldnt it in fact have a higher sectional density than say a 100 grain .243 diameter bullet?
Would it then not stand to reason that the 22 caliber 100 grain with a sectional density of .284 would out penetrate the .243 100 grain bullet with a lesser sectional density of .24?

Well absolutely if velocity not considered!
From your line of thinkin I'm sure you will be looking for a 100gn .17 cal bullets, imagine the SD on that baby!! & it should be about as easy to find & a great deer killer.