Russian AR-15 !!!
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i wonder if it will be made of 6061 or 7075???
Ar180shooter
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If they're looking for something to do, I know a few people that would pay quite well for a semi-only RPD.
I am sure they would oove your order of thousands of units.If they're looking for something to do, I know a few people that would pay quite well for a semi-only RPD.
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I would if I could.
Besides, the post was only half serious. I know that some people (myself included) would love a new production semi-auto RPD, but I also know that in order for them to re-tool to produce them, they would need an order of several thousand units.
I refer to a cocking handle positioned as on the H&K G3 for example: in the logical, natural position that most closely corresponds to the position of the shooter's left hand when holding the rifle in a firing position.
I previously mentioned two other improvements they could make. Not necessary for civilians taking their black beauties out to the range for a spot of tacticool shooting, but for soldiers in cold climates...maybe not such a bad idea. H&K have already thought of this and the G36 carrying handle is large enough to actually get your hand in and out of in a hurry, with gloves on.
But if it doesn't have an optical sight built in like the G36, a folding carrying handle is probably better, as on the FN FAL. Soldiers don't carry their rifles "at the trail" much these days anyway, and unless an optical sight is incorporated into the handle at an appropriate height above the receiver, as on the H&K G36, all handles like the AR15 type do is get in the way of a proper scope mounting. Although looking at the photos above, I see they've made the handle removable so you can take it off and throw it away!
It's not like the Russians can't build good practical optics, but of course getting one of the optical companies to cooperate might be problematical, as they respond to the market with all the zip of a Galapagos tortoise.
Their pistol grip shape is an improvement, though not quite so "space ranger" stylish as the original!
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The location of the G3 cocking handle is terrible. It's too far forward. Folding feature is pointless, IMO, too.
It certainly isn't anywhere near a "logical, natural position" when you need to run it after reloading.
And yes, I own a G3.
It certainly isn't anywhere near a "logical, natural position" when you need to run it after reloading.
And yes, I own a G3.
It should be attached directly to the bolt carrier and located at the front of the receiver, IMO.
What do you mean by "safety/ease of handling feature"?
If the G3 cocking handle was fixed in it's extended position it would be much easier to operate and pose zero "safety" concerns. My FAL doesn't have a folding cocking handle and it doesn't pose any problems.
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The Russians built an AR and it didn't burst into flames?
Avoiding the cocking handle catching on clothing or equipment was the reason for a folding handle probably. That could be considered a safety issue as well as an "ease of handling" or convenience feature.
The angle of the G3 handle does look a little less than ideal to me, but of course they wanted to keep it above the forend grip I guess, and that and the location of the linkage to the action, forced it to be on an angle unless the left side of the forend was lowered, but then it starts to interfere with the left hand position.
They probably did the necessary studies on it before arriving at that design.
I'd agree that a fixed knob or handle would be easier & faster to use.
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I'm sure they had their reasons for the folding handle.
I find it requires finer hand work to unfold the latch than just grabbing or slapping a fixed handle.
I've got lots of semi's with fixed charging handles and don't have a problem with any of them, including my VZ with ambi, reciprocating handles.
I find it requires finer hand work to unfold the latch than just grabbing or slapping a fixed handle.
I've got lots of semi's with fixed charging handles and don't have a problem with any of them, including my VZ with ambi, reciprocating handles.
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I think if your worrying about finish you should be shooting geese with a fine beretta 12 gauge and not hauling assault rifles around, russian factorys are use to making combat weapons and i think that quality and reliability is what people expect when they purchase russian, if you want finish get an HK or a KAC and keep it under glass haha.. i know i made that mistake lol... I like a "tool" that im not gona be worrying about hurting the resale value of ie.. i forgot my hammer i think ill use my 74 lol.. or anyone got a bottle opener? ill use my makarov lol.
I think if your worrying about finish you should be shooting geese with a fine beretta 12 gauge and not hauling assault rifles around, russian factorys are use to making combat weapons and i think that quality and reliability is what people expect when they purchase russian, if you want finish get an HK or a KAC and keep it under glass haha.. i know i made that mistake lol... I like a "tool" that im not gona be worrying about hurting the resale value of ie.. i forgot my hammer i think ill use my 74 lol.. or anyone got a bottle opener? ill use my makarov lol.
i read a russian forum topic about the gun, 80% of components now(at least for now) are not even made in Russia, barrels are by Lother-walther, receivers by Schmeisser and price range is around 40.000-50.000 rubles - 1300-1700$, as i understood they decided to build one more out of legal reasons (as apparently its easier to build one in the country then import one) rather economical, it was meant to internal product rather then some thing for export
