Airgun silencers

[Gas Can]

Wrong on both accounts.

Some airsoft silencers have metal baffles in them much like the real thing.

I have sound tested an empty silencer tube and that works shockingly well for what it is. So a foam filled tube would work even better and would produce an impressive sound reduction for a few shots if mounted to a 22 rimfire.

There is really nothing "fake" about an airsoft silencer. They work just as a real one would but are simply manufactured with materials more appropriate to the ammunition.

None of the air soft suppressors I have seen had any baffles, but I haven't seen all of them.

Agreed, they would do something as they would be essentially a large single chamber suppressor, much like a pop bottle suppressor. Especially on a SS .22 with some coolent.

GC

 

[Suputin]

The round being expelled from the barrel makes very little if any sound. This is due in part to the fact that you simply have compressed air behind it and the round doesn't sit air tight in the hopup or the barrel.

I'm not going to argue the mechanics of an airsoft gun because I don't know and I don't care. However anytime you have a projectile being expelled from a barrel by pressurized gas there will be a noise associated with the sudden expansion of the propellant gas when the projectile leaves the barrel. How much that noise is in an airsoft gun, I don't know but it will be there and any kind of muzzle device with a large expansion chamber will reduce that noise.

That means that all airsoft silencers do work to their intended purpose which is to reduce the muzzle report of the firearm. Wether that makes any difference to the perceived noise of the gun operating is another issue. That people buying airsoft silencers don't understand the difference doesn't make me wrong. Silencers on real firearms suffer the same problems when they are capable of brining the muzzle noise down below the action noise.

I'll bust out the taboo statment on here. I play airsoft. I've owned many airsoft guns and quite a few silencers for them. None, I repeat none of them come into the country with any kind of a baffle system in place. They show up with foam inserts.

I held in my hand an airsoft silencer, in an airsoft shop in Canada that contained three stamped metal baffles of a kind that would not have been made by a home hobbyist. In my experience of silencers a baffle like that would have been made in a large factory.

Exactly how those baffles came to be inside that airsoft silencer I can't comment but it seems to me the obvious explanation is they were installed by the manufacturer and imported into Canada.

I honestly don't know where you got any of your information but on the subject of airsoft silencers making airsoft guns quieter you are quite wrong.

I wasn't really refering to how the silencer worked or didn't work on an airsoft gun but rather that they would work just fine if installed on a real firearm. The airsoft silencers are made with materials appropriate to the system they are designed for but that construction and those materials will also work on a 22 rimfire rifle or pistol ..... at least for a time.

 

[Pooker]

S.2 definition of a firearm has some criteria:

“firearm” means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm;

Considering the vulnerability of your eyes to damage, I think you are right, and even a low powered air gun would be considered a firearm. Thanks for the assistance.

silencers are also legal on crossbow and bows

and , funny thing is , silencers are perfectly legal on bows and crossbows .
perhaps some people here have never seen them.

Hint , they don't look like tin cans......

A cross/compound bow is not a barreled weapon. They're also not reducing the report of the shot, they're reducing the sound the strings of the bow make when released.
There's a wee bit of a difference there lol.

Sendmorebrains- What the good #### are you talking about, man? Seriously.

 

[emilio613]

and , funny thing is , silencers are perfectly legal on bows and crossbows .
perhaps some people here have never seen them.

Hint , they don't look like tin cans......

hmmmm...wonder if they'd be a good fit on my 1911.... haha

 

[unicorn gravedigger]

You could try to find a "Pre Ban Air Arms TX200 Mk3" I have one and it has a built in compensator in the barrel, shoots at 850fps and sounds like a Diana m24.

 

[Blegend]

This thread is painful

 

[woodchopper]

This thread is painful

yes and looking like its goint to get locked

 

[hollowjacket]

silencers are illegal in Canada, period. Very dangerous subject as all these forums are monitored by the rcmp guns and gangs units, good way to get a forum like this closed down. Mods should be jumping on these subjects and stopping them before they get this far.

 

[dHb]

We need to remember the criminal code definition of a silencer:
(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,

If you stick a toilet paper tube on anything the law considers a firearm, with the intention of muffling the firearm's sound, you've created a prohibited device. It doesn't matter if it doesn't work, your evil intention is enough. The law gets grey when a device that wasn't designed or intended to muffle the sound of the firearm actually does reduce the sound by happenstance.

With our criminal code definition, building a series of tires on a rack that you place a firearm's muzzle inside to muffle the muzzle blast could be construed as a prohibited device (as could any other noise reduction methods employed at a shooting range). Of course the prosecutor who would proceed with such a charge would have to be very special...

And if you end up charged you can enter this as evidence:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/club/sou_aco-eng.pdf

Oops, I think I have have just made this thread worse - sorry...

 

[Ballox]

Just because you have an airsoft "silencer" doesn't mean that it is legal. It's the silencer itself that is illegal regardless if it's mounted on a firearm or not.

 

[Suputin]

silencers are illegal in Canada, period.

Not true. Silencers are perfectly legal for government agencies at any of the three levels of government and for licenced businesses across the country.

Very dangerous subject as all these forums are monitored by the rcmp guns and gangs units, good way to get a forum like this closed down. Mods should be jumping on these subjects and stopping them before they get this far.

Wow, THREE whole posts and you are an EXPERT on silencers, the criminal code, our police monitors and the administration of this board.

Maybe consider toning that down there Hoss and spend some time on the board BEFORE telling anyone how it should be done and what is acceptable topic.

It is not illegal to discuss the topic of silencers ..... yet. The transmission of information is not banned in Canada so there is no need to enforce an Orwellian code on anyone.

We have successfully discussed silencers here in many previous threads without anyone getting in trouble. There is no talk about illegally making or using silencers and everyone understands that.

We have even begun a project to educate politicians on the topic so that we can someday move towards the legalization of silencers as a health & safety device. I'd suggest you look up that thread so you can discuss this topic intelligently next time.

 

[novan3]

I've heard, from the web and YouTube videos and such, that SureFire produces some of the most affective sound suppressors around. Not bad for a company generally known for it's flashlights.

 

[Suputin]

For a long time Surefire suppressors have had a reputation for being tough and durable. However they suffer from being extremely expensive and not very quiet.

They are still expensive but the noise reduction is improving as they have hired prob the most knowledgible suppressor designer on the planet.

It all boils down to what you mean when you say a suppressor is "effective?"

 

[Utah]

I shoot airguns in my basement in order to muffle the noise heard outside, although I'd prefer to use them in the backyard..
Does this convert my house into a prohibited device?

 

[novan3]

I shoot airguns in my basement in order to muffle the noise heard outside, although I'd prefer to use them in the backyard..
Does this convert my house into a prohibited device?

Very dangerous! RCMP monitors pal holders' houses via google earth satellite.

 

[novan3]

They are still expensive but the noise reduction is improving as they have hired prob the most knowledgible suppressor designer on the planet.

What, you were unavailable?

By SF's net sound reduction on this AACblog chart thing, which I browse on work mobile data plan , they're 2nd most effective. Looks like buncha glossy marketing

 

[Grizzlypeg]

I shoot airguns in my basement in order to muffle the noise heard outside, although I'd prefer to use them in the backyard..
Does this convert my house into a prohibited device?

If you can get away with that, what's to stop me from having one attached to my barrel?

 

[Utah]

If you can get away with that, what's to stop me from having one attached to my barrel?

I suspect if you could manage that, you could get away with anything you wanted, i mean who could touch a 10-story tall man??

 

[Suputin]

By SF's net sound reduction on this AACblog chart thing, which I browse on work mobile data plan , they're 2nd most effective.

That is hardly an exhaustive list of the 556 suppressors avail in the US. There are loads of other cans for sale that beat the Surefire. Major manufacturers like Gemtech, SWR, YHM and KAC are not represented on that list. Let alone the smaller independent manufacturers like Liberty and Griffin Armament who also produce decent 556 cans.

In no way am I suggesting the Surefire is the worst because it certainly isn't, but it is a long way from being the best for sound reduction. The Surefire cans are very tough and they have an innovative mounting system. They just haven't been all that quiet in the past.

What, you were unavailable?

Oh, I have a long way to go before I get anywhere near being the best but thanks for the smarmy comment. It is an extremely small pool I am swimming in with some very deep talent and experience levels. Not to mention some extremely large research budgets.

 

[atr]

Gotta watch . It's still up in the "air" as to whether air gun / air soft silencers are actually legal in the USA . Yep , they are sold everywhere , but are they legal ? A fella , bad guy , in Massachusettes just had a conviction overturned for an air gun silencer , and he did 6 years in prison for it . He was just sentanced to 15 years on other charges but the air gun silencer was a totally different issue and charge . The Federal Court Of Appeals in Boston just over turned his silencer conviction , after he did 6 years and that's only one Federal Court Of Appeals . There are 10 in the USA so anyone of the 9 other jurisdiction may have upheld his conviction . The 9th circuit definately would have upheld his conviction . Just because they get sold in the USA doesn't mean they are legal in the USA without the documentation and permits required for any other "real" silencer .