Got scoped today

[kamlooky]

Five seconds eh?
Four point season at 500 y/m's.
With a 3x9x40? Or a 4x?
Good luck with that.
Use the bino's people.
It's just fur for heaven's sake.
Don't get one this year, how about next??

 

[LordEvilPepper]

I work on the if I can't see with my mark one eyeball, it's probably to far for me too shoot anyways (and there for genraly pick a better spot). the only time I'm watching ready to go with a scope is when I'm planted on a cut line and I know the animals are doing the dash across.

 

[ShootSavage]

so a pair $15 bino's is good enough to replace a 12X scope at 500m?, get bent. most people can't even keep bino's stable enough to look at something 500 meters away let alone a high power pair. Most people put the money into the gun and the trip, not the extra $200 into a pair of bino's, especialy people new to hunting.

I'd rather b pointing a pair of $15 binos at someone than a rifle no matter what the power of the scope or binoculars is, nobody's that professional that they can't make a mistake, the gun in this situation is most defiantly loaded and in most cases the safety off and finger on the trigger, so yes a pair of binoculars at any price is far better then looking down range at a person through your scope.

If an animal is running across a cut line at 500 yards then you shouldn't be ready to shoot at it anyway, a 500 yard shot at a running animal, , , I doubt if Rob Furlong could make that shot

and if someone can put together enough money to outfit themselves for hunting then they can afford an extra few dollars for a pair of cheap but decent binoculars, I got a pair on sale at Crappy Tire for a little over $50 and I can make out an animal at 500 yards with no problem at all.

 

[FishHog]

in most cases the safety off and finger on the trigger,

personally, getting "scoped", doens't bother me at all. But the above does. Someone magnifying me has never hurt me, but if someone is stupid enough to have the safety off and their finger on the trigger before they know they want to kill what they are pointing at........well that there is really the problem.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

personally, getting "scoped", doens't bother me at all. But the above does. Someone magnifying me has never hurt me, but if someone is stupid enough to have the safety off and their finger on the trigger before they know they want to kill what they are pointing at........well that there is really the problem.

well said, I never take the safty off or put that finger anywere inside the gaurd till I know what it is on the other side and I'm 100% sure I want it dead.

as for the cut line, i'm not shooting 500m, more like 300 tops. most of the time its under 150m.
i don't want to hit them running, I want to hit them while they pause and look, hence the "ready to go" riffle up looking down the scope.
And like I said as soon as I see a person enter the field of view (because they are "tracking" on a game trail and they wondered out into the cut line I'm watching), the riffle is down hand far away for the triger; the hunt is ruined anyways.

Cheap bino's don't work very well in low light they are far to dim. I have a spotting scope that i picked up for $60 and I would never trust it to make the final judgement call on speices and ### of an animal I was about to shoot. However once spotted and identified as a deer or what ever animal I'm hunting (genraly by eye), my leoupold scope has the power and light gathering to make the final call.

I have never glassed another hunter intentionaly, or used my scope to "see what that "object" over there is"
and I take due care to indicate that i'm on said cut line, like leaving my truck at the entrance or informing other near by hunters in my camp or near by camps were and when I intend to hunt. 2 times has a another hunter walked out into my field of view in my scope, and both times neither hunter "relized how far (they) walked and were suprised they had made it as far as (this) cutline"

 

[chinook]

That is why you don't try to call moose on the island.

have to agree and disagree with you there. i find pepole in NL are generally not that far from the road when they hunt. So when I do go calling I make sure I am far enough in the country that some gun happy townie doesn't make a mistake.

 

[Longwalker]

ha ha... never go out with the army on Ex, you will get glassed all the time.

I'm not saying it right, but if you walk into a clearing wearing cammo, getting glassed is bound to happen. Not everyone has bino's and when watching a clearing for game just use the scope to aviod excesive movement of shuffling around.

Holy crap! Like not having binoculars is some sort of excuse?? People like you should get convicted of pointing a firearm in a dangerous manner - to avoid excessive danger to others.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

Long walker your out to lunch.

The point I'm makeing is that my scope is not used to watch people, nor is it used for the purpose of scouting. Its used to make final identification on an animal when I am setup ready to shoot. When I have setup a stand or blind, its in a area/cutline that I have scouted, watched, and the pattern of movement has been positivly Identified. shuffling bewteen bino's and a my riffle will either ruin the shot or spook the game.
I take due diligance in setting up in these areas. I Inform people of were the blind/stand is so they don't stumble in. I park my vehicle in an open and obvious fashion (such as on the entrance of a cut line), and by telling other hunters if I know were their local camps are or run into them while heading out.

As for the military part, which you included so I'am going to a stab at and say you disagree with. It's my job. soldeirs are genraly not issued binos but every troop has a scope, and are told to use it for all veiwing senario's were magnification is required. We as troops are trusted not to accedently shoot things when we look at them.
In a LAVIII I glass everything with the optics for the 25mm cannon/7.62MG, because its stabbed and my job to identify and engage all threats as well as be situationaly aware. Getting out and looking out the hatch with a pair of bino's doesn't work while your moving 100km/h; let alone defeating the purpose of being IN a armoured vehicle.

Stop being so elitist, and protending that in no possible case somebody might end up under your glass for that half second before you say "oh ####" and drop your riffle. Not everyone is 100% aware of everything, not you, not me, not the guy that walks out infont of you while your watching a game trail, or the guy that walks out in front of you from the other side of a truck. #### happens, get over it.
Quoting a old statement despite me having well explained the senario in which you might end up under my glass for the brief second while hunting in subsiquent posts is low.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Until you've heard bullets go overhead while gutting an animal, on the snow, next to a snowmobile, you have no concept of fear. They make this funny, sizzling sound followed by the report.

 

[BigUglyMan]

Stop being so elitist, and protending that in no possible case somebody might end up under your glass for that half second before you say "oh s**t" and drop your riffle. Not everyone is 100% aware of everything, not you, not me, not the guy that walks out infont of you while your watching a game trail, or the guy that walks out in front of you from the other side of a truck. s**t happens, get over it.
Quoting a old statement despite me having well explained the senario in which you might end up under my glass for the brief second while hunting in subsiquent posts is low.

That's why you use binos. To watch. We're talking moose hunting on the Rock, not one-weekend-a-month play in a LAV. No one gives a hoot about what you do for a living as it's not part of the discussion. The bottom line is that when you're out hunting, you don't use your scope to observe. You use binos for that. If you want to huddle in and watch a game trail, put your rifle out of your hands and use your eyes to see the big picture and your binos to get a closer look. Once you're satisfied that it's an animal that you want to take and it is safe to do so, then pick up your rifle and go to work.

You're not shooting suicide bombers outside an elementary school, you don't need to be huddled behind your rifle staring intently through the scope in case something presents itself. Smarten up before you have an accident.

 

[stubblejumper]

I have never glassed another hunter intentionaly,

Have you ever scoped another hunter unintentionally? I haven't scoped another hunter intentionally or unintentionally, because I have too much respect for other hunters than to glass with my rifle scope.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

for once will people read what I am posting before slamming me.
yes I have unintentionaly scoped a hunter...read my post... but the riffle was down before they ever made it to the cross hairs, the rifle was on safe and my finger wasn't on the triger to start with. This may shock you; and you can call me a irrsposible person, but you know what, sometimes people walk infront of others when they are about to shoot, ref my previous post, its your reaction to that senario that makes the differance.
As a side note my friend just got back from a hunt and took a look at this thread, he laughed then told me his moose hunting story, if he had been watching the game trail with binos instead of weapon ready in a relaxed state, he would have been buggered when the moose walked out infront of him 4 meters away. He also commented that "its a shame that because of a couple idiots, elitist Aholes can publisize an opinion like that and have it take root." and then proceded to say "if I'm investing thousands of dollars in a hunt and hundreds of hours in scouting, I'm not going to let something as small as lowering a set of bino's to pick up my rifle ruin my hunt or endanger my safty... its happened before"

yes I have had bullets wiz over head, I am in the army and have been to afghanistan 2 times.
1 weekend a month? try 2 months at a go, 6-8months over seas. I cited this military experience because another CGN'er brought it up by quoteing an off refrence I made about 2 pages ago.
once again, read the full post and get with the context before spouting off. If you need to do half quotes to bash, go join the ranks of libral anti's on the CBC forum.

 

[LordEvilPepper]

"you don't need to be huddled behind your rifle staring intently through the scope in case something presents itself. Smarten up before you have an accident."

two issues with that statment. I got both eyes open so hudled down is a bit of an exteme statment.
secondly.... I know the state of my weapon at all time, If I don't, I check. So how is my rifle going to go off with the safty on and my finger no were near the triger, by magic? or is every peice of my rifle going to fail the moment you step into my gun sights for that 1/2 second before the rifle is pointing at sky or ground?
Has nobody ever walked infront of you in their excitment while hunting or at an informal range? God knows it has happened to me, with a newbie hunting partner that gets all abuzz and walks infront of my rifle while lining up a shot. I don't freak out, I don't yell or get mad, I lower the rifle tell him to move then get back to bussness. Have you never looked at an animal through your scope and said "you know what, I don't think I will take this one" for any reason? because then your just as "guilty" as me of glassing something you don't intend to shoot.

What fantasy land do you live in? the one were I can spell correctly and my grammer is perfect?
Maybe its just from being in the army for years... but the only time I get anoyed at being glassed, is if it is a diliberate "watch" or in a controled enviroment such as a formal range or a gun store, were safe directions are dictated and manditory.
If your freaking out over a minor slip up of either parties fault while in an uncontrolled enviroment, then either your way to high strung, or your not comfurtable around firearms, either way I want you no were near me. People who fit into those catigories are a danger to themselfs and to those around them; You never know how they will react other then its genraly not in a calm manner. I have seen to many people that are safty freaks fumble a gun in a tense situation because they are afraid of the gun. Point of fact: every ND I have seen (c7, C9, C6, shotgun, .22)is caused by somebody fumbling because they get spooked and start ####ing up drills because they don't have confidance in there actions. I will say it again, #### happens, stay calm and get over it.

 

[GameStalker30-06]

I guess he wins this years..."Rant like Rick Mercer Award"....

 

[stubblejumper]

yes I have unintentionaly scoped a hunter...read my post... but the riffle was down before they ever made it to the cross hairs,

Whatever happened to pointing a gun only in a safe direction, as in where there are no people, and aren't likely to be any people in the near future?

Has nobody ever walked infront of you in their excitment while hunting or at an informal range?

I have had people decide to walk downrange at the local shooting range before it was safe,and before the all clear was given, but they never passed in front of the muzzle of my gun, because the muzzle of my gun was not pointed at the walkway.

I have never had it happen while hunting, because I choose my hunting partners very carefully.

Have you never looked at an animal through your scope and said "you know what, I don't think I will take this one" for any reason? because then your just as "guilty" as me of glassing something you don't intend to shoot.

No, because I don't point a gun at any animal, until I have decided to shoot it. I use binoculars to study and range game.

 

[Idcurrie]

LordEvilPepper:

You should not be hunting.

 

[kamlooky]

And as the old saying goes....."Chit happens!"

 

[Longwalker]

if I'm investing thousands of dollars in a hunt and hundreds of hours in scouting, I'm not going to let something as small as lowering a set of bino's to pick up my rifle ruin my hunt... ".

I think this partial quote tells all. The safety of others should never be compromised just to ensure your success!

LordEvilPepper, you discredit your argument with every "justification" that you post. FYI, safe and ethical hunting is NOT a military activity and has almost nothing in common with warfare.

In the Canadian Firearms Safety and the Saskatchewan Hunter Education courses that I have instructed for more than 25 years I have always taught that a hunter is never to point a firearm at something that has not been positively identified as a target. I will continue to teach that, and find it unfortunate and discouraging that you think that you are justified in doing so, just to ensure that you don't miss an "opportunity"!

 

[Republic of Alberta]

I go around pointing my guns at rocks and stumps so I am a bad person. One time I pointed my gun at a pop bottle. WOW what a day that was!

 

[LordEvilPepper]

Whatever happened to pointing a gun only in a safe direction, as in where there are no people, and aren't likely to be any people in the near future?.

you mean like the cut line I have informed people I am on, that the only readly accesable entrance has my truck at it? I don't set up a blind were it's easy for people to bypass me and get in front of my arcs.
If you saw a truck parked at the entrance to a short cut line would you go down it? Or plan your walk about to cross it during hunting season? If you answer yes your even more irisponsible then somebody that glasses everything. Why? because the leaste you did is ruin another persons hunt, but more inportantly you created a dangerous sitiation were both parties could end up on the ends of each others guns. I'm not talking about dilibrate gun pointing here either, if buddy is walking back and a deer pops out between you and neither of you is aware of the other, a cross fire is created, and that I can tell you is no fun.

I have had people decide to walk downrange at the local shooting range before it was safe,and before the all clear was given, but they never passed in front of the muzzle of my gun, because the muzzle of my gun was not pointed at the walkway.

what if they had walked out to the target stand before you noticed them? what then? I know lots of ranges were the 300m is elivated and behind the 50m burm. If your doing a group at 300 you might not notice the person till they walk right into your scope. Nobody is 100% aware of everything all around them at a time. thats the point I'm making, s**t happens, react calmly and take the right steps to remedy the sitiation.

I have never had it happen while hunting, because I choose my hunting partners very carefully.

that is exactly the elitist atitude me and my friend are reffering to. Everyone has to start somewere, everyone makes mistakes. A "good hunting partner" genraly isn't found, its developed from hunting together.

No, because I don't point a gun at any animal, until I have decided to shoot it. I use binoculars to study and range game.

So you are saying at no point when you have been pointing the rifle at the game have you made the call to not shoot? either because the shot is bad or you don't want to take the animal for another reason? I wish I had that level of clearvoance that nothing would change between when I figured it was an animal I wanted to take when I squeezed the triger.

I think this partial quote tells all. The safety of others should never be compromised just to ensure your success! Originally Posted by LordEvilPepper
if I'm investing thousands of dollars in a hunt and hundreds of hours in scouting, I'm not going to let something as small as lowering a set of bino's to pick up my rifle ruin my hunt... ".

let me fix this for you

Originally Posted by LordEvilPepper
MY FRIEND stated "if I'm investing thousands of dollars in a hunt and hundreds of hours in scouting, I'm not going to let something as small as lowering a set of bino's to pick up my rifle ruin my hunt or endanger my safty... ".

Congradulations you get the CBC wanbie award for misqouting to making a invalid point