M1 Garand Quiz #4

[purple]

The Garand was produced for military use on a large scale by 4 US makers, Springfield Armory, Winchester, International Harvester and Harrington & Richardson and by 2 Italian makers, Beretta and Breda. It's often said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and other countries did produce the rifle in prototype form. Which countries were they?

Japan doesn't count because the prototype copies that the Japanese produced during WW2 were not part-by-part copies. Civvy clones and cast receiver copies don't count either.

 

[davemccarthy707]

I thought IBM did some as well.

 

[Dsiwy]

Denmark and Tiawan?

 

[Light Infantry]

Well, the BM59 (Italy) was a design extension of the Garand and the design was then licensed to Indonesia. Does that count?

 

[purple]

I thought IBM did some as well.

IBM was one of a number of producers of the M1 Carbine during ww2. No Garands though.

 

[purple]

Denmark and Tiawan?

Denmark used both US and Italian made Garands. They didn't make any rifles themselves, although they did make replacement barrels, stocks, handguards, and elevation pinions.

 

[purple]

Well, the BM59 (Italy) was a design extension of the Garand and the design was then licensed to Indonesia. Does that count?

Beretta did produce Garands on contract for Indonesia and several other countries. The BM59 is an evolutionary development of the Garand. AFAIK it was only produced by Beretta for the Italian Army and some other nations.

 

[Light Infantry]

Ok, ya got me stumped!

 

[300Spartans]

Is Greece one of them?

 

[Light Infantry]

The only other country that I can think of is China. They were knocking stuff off long before Norinco came along. i.e C96 Mausers

 

[purple]

The only other country that I can think of is China. They were knocking stuff off long before Norinco came along. i.e C96 Mausers

Not China or Greece either. Greece got a lot of Garands from the US as military aid. The Chinese got some by policing up the battlefields in Korea. Neither country produced them, although the Greeks did make some funky replacement stocks and rear handguards.

 

[Brutus]

For some reason the USSR comes to mind.
Heck, New Zealand or Australia for number two???

 

[300Spartans]

Hmmm....south Korea?

 

[Dsiwy]

Brazil maybe?

 

[purple]

For some reason the USSR comes to mind.
Heck, New Zealand or Australia for number two???

The Russians already had their own home-grown semi-auto battle rifle in the form of the Tokarev. They did, however, reverse engineer the B-29 bomber based on several US aircraft that they impounded after they were damaged in operations against Japan.

Like Canada, the Aussies and Kiwis clung to British pattern equipment in the interests of inter-operability.

 

[purple]

Hmmm....south Korea?

You are correct, Sir. The South Koreans did produce several Garand prototypes. Major parts, incl the receiver, bolt, trigger group, and barrel were made by them. Various US-made components were also used.

S. Korea was the receipient of US military aid and had extensive stocks of all US made small arms and other weapons, so it is interesting that they felt the need to go ahead with this. Perhaps a wish for self-sufficiency and guarenteed supply was the main driver for them.

Quiz isn't over yet.

 

[purple]

Brazil maybe?

Nope.

 

[.30/06 FTW]

South Vietnam? Turkey? Israel?

 

[purple]

South Vietnam? Turkey? Israel?

S. Vietnam was a major recipient of Garands from US stocks, but never made their own.

Ditto for Turkey, although they did make a copy of the M1A1 Thompson SMG.

Israel got some, incl M1D sniper rigs, from the US, but didn't make any. They also got quite a few "donated" by the Jordanians after the 1967 war.

 

[.30/06 FTW]

Norway? Going out on a limb and saying Canada? John Garand was Canadian after all. Phillipines? purple you're driving me crazy!

EDIT: Just read from my book: "That Beretta, F.N., and Sauer parts are found on M1s-even DCM guns, which saw NATO service-should amaze no one. Rifles were being rebuilt in Europe just as they were in the United States."

So, Belgium and/or Germany?