F Class Custom Build - Need help

If you plan on shooting LR you want a fast twist barrel, likely a 1:8 twist. You will stabilize the 123g pills well, prolly not the 140s though.

That's news to me.... I have a .260 rem, granted it isn't a 6.5x47 Lapua, but it has a 1:9 twist barrel on it. My barrel stabilizes the 123gr. pills and even the 142 gr. sierra matchkings as well... Not sure if you just made a typo or what....
a 1:8 twist will be fine with most 140gr. 6.5mm bullets.
 
That's news to me.... I have a .260 rem, granted it isn't a 6.5x47 Lapua, but it has a 1:9 twist barrel on it. My barrel stabilizes the 123gr. pills and even the 142 gr. sierra matchkings as well... Not sure if you just made a typo or what....
a 1:8 twist will be fine with most 140gr. 6.5mm bullets.

How is that bbl shooting? Sorry to Hijack OP
 
I didn't realize Robertson was shut down.

Any suggestions for an F Class stock?
Maybe The Macmillan F class?

Any ideas why Robertson is shut down? Like to buy in Canada if possible...
 
That's news to me.... I have a .260 rem, granted it isn't a 6.5x47 Lapua, but it has a 1:9 twist barrel on it. My barrel stabilizes the 123gr. pills and even the 142 gr. sierra matchkings as well... Not sure if you just made a typo or what....
a 1:8 twist will be fine with most 140gr. 6.5mm bullets.

Pretty big case capacity difference between a 6.5x47l and a 260.

I have no practical experience yet, I chose a 260 just so I know I won't have issues with the 140s, but those that I know that shoot the 6.5x47l stick with the 123s.

Wait for a Robertsons if you really want one. McMillys are amazing stocks, but if you wanna stick with a Canadian dealer, than Robertsons is the one. You got time to shop for a stock, BAT actions may take a while to source.
 
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BAT actions may take a while to source.

have been an issue for me. I ordered my own directly. First one only cost me taxes and shipping as the importer had permit issues so delivery took slightly longer. He felt bad and did not charge me t obring it into Canada. The second I ordered 3 and got a GREAT deal from the importer.

The key is finding the importer who will not HOSE you. There are guys out there who have paperwork in place. Just need to shop around to find these guys...................

Before I get bashed, mine all came into the country using legitimate importers..........

Next rifle I get built will be done in the US. To many issues with even Custom aftermarket actions for the short range game. Best iron out the issues before you bring it into the country.

JMO
 
The 6.5-47 is a great choice at any distance, as well as the 260. You can spend way too much time over thinking the whole build. The top shooters in Canada and the US get that way by spending time learning to read the wind, and putting lead down range. If you learn to do that very well, you can win a long range match shooting a 260,6.5-47 or the little 6mmbr. It's all about how you stear that thing.
Henry Remple is a great choice for a great machinist. He is in Calgary so that may be a little far for you, but he will put it together so it shoots well, the price is more than fair, and he turns it around faster than anyone i know. Just my opinion!!!
Cheers!
Eric
 
Because if he builds something else and is not happy with it he'll regret it.

Been there, done that.

6.5x47 is a super efficient, accurate cartridge. Kinda like the 6mmBR of the 6.5 world.

Only know of one attempt at an F Open rig in the interior using the 6.5X47L and it went badly.

In the 6.5 world, the "6br" is the 260Rem and its variants. This IS the effecient case volume for the types of bullets competitors are going to use for LR shooting.

The Creedmore is an interesting animal and US sales have been surprisingly strong. Nothing novel but an interesting option.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the smaller Lapua case - except that it is smaller. For what it was designed for, it does a great job.

1000yd knief fights was not part of that master plan.

The reduced case volume makes it impossible to meet the speeds the larger cases can muster.

LR shooting in a breeze, that difference is HUGE.

As for mechanical accuracy, ALL the case volumes from the Lapua to the 6.5X284 have shown superb results. And those results are the SAME.

I have had no issue shooting high V counts in Kamloops in a gale with my 6.5 Mystic and 260improved. In fact, the last year I shot F open at the Farky, the conditions were "colourful".

1st to 3rd were 6.5s including one HABU, Mystic and 260 Improved.

YMMV
Jerry
 
Next rifle I get built will be done in the US. To many issues with even Custom aftermarket actions for the short range game. Best iron out the issues before you bring it into the country.

JMO

Can you elaborate for me? What are the issues you are referring to? I don't want to bite off more than I can chew.
 
Mystic are you thinking I should go with a larger caliber? 260, 260 ai or 6.5 x 284?? I was considering those but i want a case that i don't have to fireform and with a barrel that will last a bit. The others seem to be very good performers at 1000 but more work to reload and greater throat erosion. Just what I've read however, I've no experience with any of them.

Interested to hear your thoughts...
 
I would be cautious about the Bat Action. The material they are built from (stainless) is very soft and the tolerances are very tight. These are a great benchrest action but the last big match I was at a couple got dirt in them and seized up locking solid.

I would suggest the Barnard action and everyone who has one seems very pleased with them. Also, a plain Remington XR100 can be built into a very accurate rifle on par with any custom action. Mick McPhee is a past master at the Remington.

He also has a lot of custom rifles showing up in the winners circles!! Probably more so than any other builder. Henry is superb also.

Steve
 
Mystic are you thinking I should go with a larger caliber? 260, 260 ai or 6.5 x 284?? I was considering those but i want a case that i don't have to fireform and with a barrel that will last a bit. The others seem to be very good performers at 1000 but more work to reload and greater throat erosion. Just what I've read however, I've no experience with any of them.

Interested to hear your thoughts...

I kinda agree with Mystic that the 6.5x47l is on the small size.

I wouldn't build something because someone on the internet tells you its better, Mystic does know his game though.

That said when it came time to build another LR rig I am building a 260. Yea, its gunna hurt more than the 6.5x47l, thats why I am putting a brake on it (even though I'll have to remove it for matches)

Your decision should be based on what bullet you wanna shoot.
Look at the BC difference between the 120s and the 140s. Its pretty significant. If the 120 will do the trick, do it. But the 140s have an edge that you can't get until you are shooting a high recoiling 284 caliber with 180g pills.
Guys that shoot the 6.5x47l are shooting light bullets. 260 can push heavy bullets with the velocities you need for long range success.

All that to say why I chose a 260.
/keyboard warrior off
 
have been an issue for me. I ordered my own directly. First one only cost me taxes and shipping as the importer had permit issues so delivery took slightly longer. He felt bad and did not charge me t obring it into Canada. The second I ordered 3 and got a GREAT deal from the importer.

The key is finding the importer who will not HOSE you. There are guys out there who have paperwork in place. Just need to shop around to find these guys...................

Before I get bashed, mine all came into the country using legitimate importers..........

Next rifle I get built will be done in the US. To many issues with even Custom aftermarket actions for the short range game. Best iron out the issues before you bring it into the country.

JMO


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The reason I went with a 6.5x47 is that Im currently building a hunting rifle in 260. My 6.5x47 is for shooting targets only and honestly dont plan on shooting it any further than 600-800 yards.

With my 15+ pound gun, the recoil is like shooting an air rifle.

I'm planning on shooting the 140gr. SGK's from my 260 and since my chamber was cut for the 130gr. Berger VLD, I'll be sticking with that in my 6.5x47.

So far I've only had the rifle out to the range twice for load development starting at 100m. I'm looking forward to stretching it out a bit further once I find some promising loads.
 
Mystic are you thinking I should go with a larger caliber? 260, 260 ai or 6.5 x 284?? I was considering those but i want a case that i don't have to fireform and with a barrel that will last a bit. The others seem to be very good performers at 1000 but more work to reload and greater throat erosion. Just what I've read however, I've no experience with any of them.

Interested to hear your thoughts...

In F Open and a perfect world, we would use a super loundenboomer with laser beam accuracy and just enough barrel life to finish a match. We would just aim in the middle and the bullets would never drift.

Well, we are all saddled with the realities of recoil, barrel heat, and costs.

So what are you willing to compromise on?

There are a growing number of shooters moving to 7 and 30cal magnums. Even the occasional 270 zapper.

Recoil is high, barrels can burn out in LESS then 1000rds but wind drift is reduced. Costs are way up there as a competitive shooter is thinking as many as 3 barrels a year and shooting costs around $1 per BANG.

When I started F Open, I decided on the best compromise which was an improved 260 which I called the Mystic. Then I started shooting the 260AI as Shilen had the reamer, was close enough to my wildcat and I had less to think about.

Did well, won a few matches, placed in several more. Consistent predicatable accuracy that still worked well in the winds.

Peak bore life is up to 1500rds (usually 1000 to 1200rds as match winning possible) so it was much better then 6.5-284 AND gave the same velocities. At least be able to reach the node that the 139/140gr VLD's want to shoot at - 2900fps without excessive pressures.

Lower recoil, lower component costs, decent bore life. Just a bit of fireforming and all is good. The 260R is now showing similar performance with some newer powders but I have seen a few barrels that just didn't like the pressures so speeds were limited.

In general, a 260 is going to thrive in the 28's fps and an improved version over 2900fps. Is 100fps worth the fuss?

If you want a no brainer off the shelf, the 6.5 Swede is it. Same case capacity as the 260improved/Mystic, great brass options and all the support a cartridge over 100yrs old can possibly have.

Do you need this increased ballistics? Entirely up to you.

I have seen a few top shooters smoke a wide field of "laser" beams using the good ole 6BR at 900m in a GALE. At the end of the day, it is still about reading conditions and if you get it right, the cartridge really isn't important.

BUT, it is far less forgiving. See my previous post on the 2010 Farky. Also review the two day matches this year.

There is no perfect answer as Open is most definitely a world of compromise. in fact, the best solution right now is TWO rifles.

If you want to be competitive, I strongly suggest you consider what ballistic advantage you can afford to have. The shooters you are competing with may not be as concerned with frugality vs wind drift.

A good shooter WITH a laser beam is going to be very tough to beat when the air gets bouncy.

If you are starting and costs IS an issue, there is not much better then the 6BR. It is as good a training platform as anyone can ask for AND is competitive.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
I didn't realize Robertson was shut down.

Any suggestions for an F Class stock?
Maybe The Macmillan F class?

Any ideas why Robertson is shut down? Like to buy in Canada if possible...

Just got my deposit back from Roberston, they were going to build me an f-class stock, not anymore I guess....so, I looked into McMillan and for $400 cheaper, ordered pretty much the same stock. I ordered it through 24hourcampfire if you're wondering.

Good luck with your build!!
 
So it seems the more I know, the LESS I know! Shocker!

I really am just beginning in the world if F class and LR shooting. I am still considering the 6.5 x 47 as it has enough oomph to compete out to 600 m and a bit beyond. I have never shot past 600m and don't know of many ranges in BC that do, so I'm thinking this might still be the route to go. I have a stock Rem 700 in 308 that I can use for ftr if need be.

I would consider a 260 or perhaps other larger wildcat round, but I was hoping to avoid the fireform process as I am still a novice reloader, and like the idea of less recoil than the .308. In a heavier f class rifle recoil may be less of an issue though.

Decisions, decisions.

I am disappointed about Robertson stocks not being available, and now I'm thinking twice about the Bat action due to dirt and tolerances concern.

Back to the drawing board...
 
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Not sure where you are in BC , we shoot out to 600 at Volkes range in chilliwack, you have to join the BCRA , once you join the fellow that runs the shoots out there will e- mail you a schedual for matches and club 600 days.
 
No fireforming needed for the .260 as Lapua makes brass for this cartridge.

If you are only planning on shooting to 600m for the time being then take a look towards a 6BR. They are hard to beat out to that range if the nut behind the butt doesn't come loose. Easy to load for (load dev is usually under 20 rounds for me) and plenty of information on it.
 
I wouldn't worry about the concerns about the BAT action. I keep reading the internet rumor about galling and material concerns about the BATs but not a single person has stepped up saying they have had an issue.

260 has no firefroming anymore as you can buy 260 brass from Lapua. On a heavy Fclass rig recoil is going to be pretty low really, its still going to be less than a 308, and you could brake it.

If you can't get a Robertsons, you are on the right track thinking McMilly.
 
The 260 Rem idea intrigues me.

Can't find a whole lot on how it has done in F class or Benchrest matches.

I'll have to do some more research.
 
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