Fair enough. Though I stand by my statement.
My first Descent Rifle. AR15
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Fair enough. Though I stand by my statement.
It would be a Wylde chamber. It says on the spec sheet 223/5.56. So yes you can shoot both.
I looked at the Core15 rifles at reliable the other day. It looked pretty good actually. I wasn't a fan of the piston system one simply due to the bulkier handguard and it didn't feel as handy of a firearm. The DI one was my preference. At first look over they seemed decent. F front sights, bayonet lug, flash hider etc. I didn't open it up so I couldn't confirm staking, H buffers or any of that stuff. For the price though it looked fairly decent.
I looked at the Core15 rifles at reliable the other day. It looked pretty good actually. I wasn't a fan of the piston system one simply due to the bulkier handguard and it didn't feel as handy of a firearm. The DI one was my preference. At first look over they seemed decent. F front sights, bayonet lug, flash hider etc. I didn't open it up so I couldn't confirm staking, H buffers or any of that stuff. For the price though it looked fairly decent.
You're better off with DI anyway. The only "proven" piston AR is the HK. A new piston system from a new AR manufacturer is rolling a lot of dice.
Caliber, Markings and Operating System
I will be as brief as possible, so there will be some gross simplifications in what follows, so do some research if you want more detail.
The lower being marked "Multi" has nothing to do with the actual caliber of the rifle, it is a 'US thing' regarding marking the caliber of a firearm, and marking a lower as "Multi" means that you can put any upper you want on it (in your case a .223/5.56 and the .22LR), and not have any issues.
The fact that the manufacturer states that the barrel is .223/5.56 means nothing unless it is from a known tier 1 manufacturer (DD, LMT, Colt, etc.), or it has been checked with a Ned Christiansen Chamber Reamer. Everthing else should be regarded as probably not safe to use 5.56. I know some people have done so without issues, but even more people have had issues.
Just because a barrel is marked .223/5.56, does not make it a Wylde .223 chamber. Wylde chambers are designed to shoot both .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm slightly more accurately than a pure 5.56 chamber, but not all Wylde chambers are the same, and there have been issues with some makes shooting 5.56. .223 chambered rifles shooting .223 is the way to go if you are looking for accuracy, as .223 ammo is generally more accurate than 5.56. The alternative is a 5.56 Match chamber, which will shoot everthing fairly accurately.
Lastly, ARs were designed to be DI, it has less parts, is more accurate, easier to repair and find spare parts. Even the HK system is having issues, and don't believe any manufacturer of piston systems who says they don't get carrier tilt, if you look at how the system operates, it is physically impossible to push a cylinder from one side, and not cause it to tilt.
Also, if you use a proprietary system and the manufacturer goes bust, you are SOL. All that stuff about cr@ping where it eats, heat, etc. is garbage. It still puts out the same stuff, just in a different place. Unless you are shooing suppressed, stick with DI, as that is about the only time it has any advantage. If you want to look at it from a different perspective, it already has a piston, it's called the BCG.
Regards.
Mark
I will be as brief as possible, so there will be some gross simplifications in what follows, so do some research if you want more detail.
The lower being marked "Multi" has nothing to do with the actual caliber of the rifle, it is a 'US thing' regarding marking the caliber of a firearm, and marking a lower as "Multi" means that you can put any upper you want on it (in your case a .223/5.56 and the .22LR), and not have any issues.
The fact that the manufacturer states that the barrel is .223/5.56 means nothing unless it is from a known tier 1 manufacturer (DD, LMT, Colt, etc.), or it has been checked with a Ned Christiansen Chamber Reamer. Everthing else should be regarded as probably not safe to use 5.56. I know some people have done so without issues, but even more people have had issues.
Just because a barrel is marked .223/5.56, does not make it a Wylde .223 chamber. Wylde chambers are designed to shoot both .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm slightly more accurately than a pure 5.56 chamber, but not all Wylde chambers are the same, and there have been issues with some makes shooting 5.56. .223 chambered rifles shooting .223 is the way to go if you are looking for accuracy, as .223 ammo is generally more accurate than 5.56. The alternative is a 5.56 Match chamber, which will shoot everthing fairly accurately.
Lastly, ARs were designed to be DI, it has less parts, is more accurate, easier to repair and find spare parts. Even the HK system is having issues, and don't believe any manufacturer of piston systems who says they don't get carrier tilt, if you look at how the system operates, it is physically impossible to push a cylinder from one side, and not cause it to tilt.
Also, if you use a proprietary system and the manufacturer goes bust, you are SOL. All that stuff about cr@ping where it eats, heat, etc. is garbage. It still puts out the same stuff, just in a different place. Unless you are shooing suppressed, stick with DI, as that is about the only time it has any advantage. If you want to look at it from a different perspective, it already has a piston, it's called the BCG.
Regards.
Mark
Colt Markings
I'm not an expert on Colt, but according to Colt, the Colt Law Enforcement Carbine is 5.56x45 NATO (.223 Rem.) as per this:
http://www.colt.com/ColtLawEnforcement/Products/ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.aspx
Colt products are generally thought of as the benchmark by which all others are measured, as they own the TDP for the M4:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Colt-M4-Data-Rights-The-Individual-Carbine-Competition-06942/
You can use both .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm in your rifle without any problems.
Here is probably the best explanation of the .223 vs 5.56 issue, with actual evidence, as opposed to the usual "I know someone...", or "in my rifle..." stories:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=55149
Regards.
Mark
I'm not an expert on Colt, but according to Colt, the Colt Law Enforcement Carbine is 5.56x45 NATO (.223 Rem.) as per this:
http://www.colt.com/ColtLawEnforcement/Products/ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.aspx
Colt products are generally thought of as the benchmark by which all others are measured, as they own the TDP for the M4:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Colt-M4-Data-Rights-The-Individual-Carbine-Competition-06942/
You can use both .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm in your rifle without any problems.
Here is probably the best explanation of the .223 vs 5.56 issue, with actual evidence, as opposed to the usual "I know someone...", or "in my rifle..." stories:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=55149
Regards.
Mark
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Looked like an excellent post to me. I agree with most of it especially about the piston ARs. Personally though Id still shoot 223 or 556 from it and not worry. But your explanation provided more info than I was aware of. That was an excellent post.
Now how do I get my Norinco to be up to Colt specs?
Looked like an excellent post to me. I agree with most of it especially about the piston ARs. Personally though Id still shoot 223 or 556 from it and not worry. But your explanation provided more info than I was aware of. That was an excellent post.
Now how do I get my Norinco to be up to Colt specs?
Actually it can be pretty easily done in just a few steps:
1) remove the Norinco's A2 handgrip
2) bolt a Colt to the handgrip
3) check the fit of the handgrip. If the fit is poor, replace with a stock Colt item.
Easy and it only took 2 or a maximum of 3 steps to make the Norinco as good as a Colt. Take that haters!
I don't think you really got that joke.
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I like how you have proven in brackets, kind of like there are teething issues and HK is bending over backwards to avoid bad press.
That is not what I am implying. I am simply saying that "proven" is a context-specific term in this case.
Although the HK has had some issues with the gun, it's the only really legitimate functional piston AR-15 at this time IMO.
Although the HK has had some issues with the gun, it's the only really legitimate functional piston AR-15 at this time IMO.
