Marked up version of IPSC 2012 Handgun Rules

Madness said:
:jerkit: quit your crying. you got burned becuase you didn't put enough thought into the stage. you can learn from it or you can play the poor me card,hide behind a BS rule and make assinine comments about shjt you know little about(skill level in other provinces) Eric G is the king of exploiting holes in stage design, so he must not be a good shooter :rolleyes:
its not up to you to decide what the best route is, its up to the shooter, he was within the rules, may have been slower but thats their choice
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Yay for Eric g , now he'll have to exploit holes in stage design from with-in the confines of the shooting area .

Yep I don't know #### , but I know that I can still put on a good match that ppl enjoy. And I know that I will still have fun doing it .
 
I thought you needed those walls standing to hide behind while you evacuate the contents of your stomach in the morning...
 
hide? when its gotta go its gotta go, why hide it? its a natural body function no need to be ashamed of it, only one way to go...... Big and Awesome
 
getting back to Ipsik on Rule 2.2.1.5....received clarification that "cutting or jumping corners" across fault lines is NOT considered taking a "shortcut" and therefore would NOT be penalized under the new rule.... 2.2.1.5 intention is only to penalize competitors who blatantly circumvent the stage design by taking a shortcut across fault lines and shooting areas by receiving a procedural for every shot fired after the shortcut has been taken......further, the reason they did not use any mention of placing a foot outside fault lines was so NOT to penalize those doing a simple foot fault without firing a shot while faulting
 
So...

1.1.5.5 Course designers may give competitors freedom to await the Start Signal anywhere within the boundaries of a well demarcated firing zone.
Does this mean no starting marks if a shooting box/area has been defined?

1.2.1.4 The recommended balance for an IPSC sanctioned match is a ratio of 3 Short Courses to 2 Medium Courses to 1 Long Course. Where possible, it is further recommended that no single COF in a match represents more than 15% of the total match points available. Significant variance from this ratiowill not be approved by IPSC.
So does this mean the max round count a match can be is 116? and 6 stages??

2.2.1.5 If a COF has a passageway visibly delineated by fault lines and/or a clearly demarcated shooting area, any competitor who takes a shortcut outside the passageway and/or shooting area will incur one procedural penalty for each shot fired after beginning the shortcut.
I don't like the wording "beginning", I can see a few misplaced steps will be deemed "beginning the shortcut" when the shooter doesn't actually take the shortcut.

2.2.7 Windows and ports – Must be placed at a height reachable by most competitors, with a sturdy platform being available for use by others, if requested, without penalty.
So, no minimum port hieghts? if so:
A short guy will have to be given a platform (another prop to build) or I would imagine if nothing is available that stage would be tossed., or...
The tall guy is screwed if the vertically challenged MD set a nice low port hieght...

2.3.4.1 A competitor who incurred a disqualification in a stage which is subsequently deleted, may be entitled to reinstatement, if the highest level of appeal pursued by the competitor (i.e. the Range Master or the Arbitration Committee, as the case may be), deems that the disqualification was directly attributable to the reasons for the stage being deleted.
Very interesting, the range lawyers will love this one...

2.7.1 A sufficient number of hygiene areas, with hand cleansing supplies and facilities, should be provided adjacent to lavatories and near the entrance to food service areas.
We needed a rule for this???

4.3.1.1 Metal targets and no-shoots which can accidentally turn edge-on or sideways when hit are expressly prohibited. Using them may result in withdrawal of IPSC sanction.
So I would read this as no free standing metal targets

4.6.2.1 Unrestored paper targets are not range equipment failure (see Rule 9.1.4).
9.1.4.2 A competitor who hesitates or self-stops during his attempt at a course of fire, due to a belief that one or more paper targets have not been restored, is not entitled to a reshoot.
Cool, keep shooting,lol

Any comments so far, there is definately alot to take in.
I`ll have to review the rest later.
Cheers
 
1.1.5.5 Course designers may give competitors freedom to await the Start Signal anywhere within the boundaries of a well demarcated firing zone.
Does this mean no starting marks if a shooting box/area has been defined? yup

1.2.1.4 The recommended balance for an IPSC sanctioned match is a ratio of 3 Short Courses to 2 Medium Courses to 1 Long Course. Where possible, it is further recommended that no single COF in a match represents more than 15% of the total match points available. Significant variance from this ratiowill not be approved by IPSC.
So does this mean the max round count a match can be is 116? and 6 stages?? no,it means a 6 stage match can only be 116 rounds and a 12 stage match can only be 232 rounds

2.2.1.5 If a COF has a passageway visibly delineated by fault lines and/or a clearly demarcated shooting area, any competitor who takes a shortcut outside the passageway and/or shooting area will incur one procedural penalty for each shot fired after beginning the shortcut.
I don't like the wording "beginning", I can see a few misplaced steps will be deemed "beginning the shortcut" when the shooter doesn't actually take the shortcut.

2.2.7 Windows and ports – Must be placed at a height reachable by most competitors, with a sturdy platform being available for use by others, if requested, without penalty.
So, no minimum port hieghts? if so:
A short guy will have to be given a platform (another prop to build) or I would imagine if nothing is available that stage would be tossed., or...
The tall guy is screwed if the vertically challenged MD set a nice low port hieght... nothing rally new there

2.3.4.1 A competitor who incurred a disqualification in a stage which is subsequently deleted, may be entitled to reinstatement, if the highest level of appeal pursued by the competitor (i.e. the Range Master or the Arbitration Committee, as the case may be), deems that the disqualification was directly attributable to the reasons for the stage being deleted.
Very interesting, the range lawyers will love this one...
IPSC will love this too, lots of income from protests

2.7.1 A sufficient number of hygiene areas, with hand cleansing supplies and facilities, should be provided adjacent to lavatories and near the entrance to food service areas.
We needed a rule for this??? the world is full of morons

4.3.1.1 Metal targets and no-shoots which can accidentally turn edge-on or sideways when hit are expressly prohibited. Using them may result in withdrawal of IPSC sanction.
So I would read this as no free standing metal targets
sure sounds like it

4.6.2.1 Unrestored paper targets are not range equipment failure (see Rule 9.1.4).
9.1.4.2 A competitor who hesitates or self-stops during his attempt at a course of fire, due to a belief that one or more paper targets have not been restored, is not entitled to a reshoot.
Cool, keep shooting,lol
not a fan of this, shooter getting crapped on for RO's mistake

Any comments so far, there is definately alot to take in.
I`ll have to review the rest later.
 
1.2.1.4 concern over a single COF points not being more than 15% of total match points was brought up to me on the "other" IPSC site when the rules revisions were being discussed.....ratio of 3/2/1 cannot be met to stay within the 15% with the new 3 short 12 round max, 2 medium 24 round max, 1 long 32 round max COF's as both the 2 medium and 1 long will be over that 15% whether it is a 6 stage or 12 stage match...........to solve this they use the word "recommended" for both ratio and % adding that any severe variance will not be accepted
 
RUPZUK said:
4.3.1.1 Metal targets and no-shoots which can accidentally turn edge-on or sideways when hit are expressly prohibited. Using them may result in withdrawal of IPSC sanction.
So I would read this as no free standing metal targets
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No idea what you meant by free standing targets, but this is just trying to enforce that plate stands should have a notch, so plate can't turn sideways. IMHO those stands without notches are annoying anyways...
 
getting back to Ipsik on Rule 2.2.1.5....received clarification that "cutting or jumping corners" across fault lines is NOT considered taking a "shortcut" and therefore would NOT be penalized under the new rule.... 2.2.1.5 intention is only to penalize competitors who blatantly circumvent the stage design by taking a shortcut across fault lines and shooting areas by receiving a procedural for every shot fired after the shortcut has been taken......further, the reason they did not use any mention of placing a foot outside fault lines was so NOT to penalize those doing a simple foot fault without firing a shot while faulting
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However the wording "blatently" is not in the rule so you are already adding your own interpretation, others will add their own interpretation which WILL allow them to penalize shooters just because they can.

Poorly written rules like this ( with possible good intent or just a mind to control everyone) is the problem with our rulebook.
1.2.1.4 The recommended balance for an IPSC sanctioned match is a ratio of 3 Short Courses to 2 Medium Courses to 1 Long Course. Where possible, it is further recommended that no single COF in a match represents more than 15% of the total match points available. Significant variance from this ratiowill not be approved by IPSC.
So does this mean the max round count a match can be is 116? and 6 stages?? no,it means a 6 stage match can only be 116 rounds and a 12 stage match can only be 232 rounds
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The 3-2-1 requirement is universally hated.....( try to find a shooter who likes it)..........WHY do we keep getting this shoved down our throats??? 1-1-1 is more to everyones liking who doesn't have a 30 pit range.
 
yes I too hate the 3-2-1 rule. if I want to put on a match consisting of all long courses, why not? or all medium, or all short. waaay stupid.
 
Slavex said:
yes I too hate the 3-2-1 rule. if I want to put on a match consisting of all long courses, why not? or all medium, or all short. waaay stupid.
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Trying to debate VP on this very subject is why he banned me from GV.

Of course it is really quite moot now. The ratio for the 2011 WORLD SHOOT was 1:1:1 so if a Level V match does not have to abide by the rules how on earth can they try to force clubs with level II or Level III to do so.
 
stormbringer said:
Trying to debate VP on this very subject is why he banned me from GV.

Of course it is really quite moot now. The ratio for the 2011 WORLD SHOOT was 1:1:1 so if a Level V match does not have to abide by the rules how on earth can they try to force clubs with level II or Level III to do so.
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"Do as I say, not as I do"
 
I think 3-2-1 ratio is a guide and if someone comes with 1-1-1 at level III based on limited space to have new proper ratio match shall get sanctioned.
Also, how often we run (at least in Ontario) LIII matches with more then 250 rounds?

For me problem lays in standardization of IPSC to fit all and loosing free style from the game. Rules may kill the game and someone can start something new and exciting or IPSC members will eventually change the leadership.
Who knows??
 
The ratio for the 2011 WS was 3:2:1 based on the not-yet approved limits of 12 round short and 24 round medium courses. There was some discussion among the competitors about using rules changes at the WS that had yet to be voted in, but nobody pressed the issue.
 
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