Benelli MR1 or Rob Arms XCR?

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wannabepl47

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This is for a fun "cool" sandpit gun that can take 10rd mags. I'm not going to be entering any competitions with it and for the shooting I do I'm sure both will be accurate enough. My main concerns are reliability (no misfeeds or jams), durability and "fun factor".

From what I've read the Benelli is far more reliable while the XCR is far more ergonomic and user friendly which I would think would make it more fun to use.

Another problem I have is that I have regularly read some highly negative things about both guns. Mainly that the Benelli has a horrible design as far as ergonomics and that the XCR jams 1-2 out of every 100 shots and that's just the way it is. If I hadnt heard so much about jamming I would be leaning toward the XCR as it would then be worth it to spend the extra money at that point. If anyone owns either of these guns what is your opinion on these issues? Is the Benelli really a painful 2 hand job to change magazines?
 
I've never heard of an Xcr jamming?? Especially " 1 every 100 rounds" and if that were the case it would almost certainly be a specific magazine problem not a problem with the gun.

If you have to ask about the benelli's ergonomics, you haven't handled one.

I would recommend going to a shop and handling one.

In my opinion, what you've heard about the benelli is true, and the xcr has issues, but not what you've heard.

As purchased the xcr is poorly weight balanced, but everyone changes the stock anyway.
Don't buy it expecting to change the barrel regularily. Find a barrel you like and leave it that way.
 
The XCR does have the a few hiccups during the first several hundred rounds but after that they run like a clock, between the two I would actually choose a third option... Tavor!.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
The XCR does have the a few hiccups during the first several hundred rounds but after that they run like a clock, between the two I would actually choose a third option... Tavor!.
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I was thinking about the Tavor but can't find anywhere that has one in stock. Would this be an item you would have to just contact someone to bring it in special order? My worry is that I will be waiting months for it.

At the point of spending 2300 might aswell just spend 2700 and get something unquestionably good and much more unique I suppose.
 
wannabepl47 said:
I have is that I have regularly read some highly negative things about both guns. Mainly that the Benelli has a horrible design as far as ergonomics and that the XCR jams 1-2 out of every 100 shots and that's just the way it is.
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Yeah, between my XCR rifle and my XCR pistol I spend all my time at the range sipping tea and eatting biscuits. :rolleyes:
 
wannabepl47 said:
I was thinking about the Tavor but can't find anywhere that has one in stock. Would this be an item you would have to just contact someone to bring it in special order? My worry is that I will be waiting months for it.

At the point of spending 2300 might aswell just spend 2700 and get something unquestionably good and much more unique I suppose.
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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462404

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_24_272&products_id=1058
 
The MR1, XCR and Tavor are all really different rifles - and different price points. The Tavor is the most compact, but also the most expensive and the least accurate. The MR1 is on the other end of the price spectrum, is fairly accurate but doesn't have great ergonomics. The XCR falls somewhere in the middle, and is the most modular (you can dress it up to look AR-ish).
 
wannabepl47 said:
At the point of spending 2300 might aswell just spend 2700 and get something unquestionably good and much more unique I suppose.
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2700 will add a used Swiss Arms to your list of rifle options. They pop up in the EE from time to time.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Very good points, although the feeling I got from the OP is that he just wants something NR that can use AR mags.
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Yes, in which case it really comes down to price and desired features (size, weight, modularity, etc.) The Tavor will probably be the lightest of the three, followed by the MR1 and the XCR.

J996 said:
2700 will add a used Swiss Arms to your list of rifle options. They pop up in the EE from time to time.
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True. But by the time you add a finished lower to accept AR magazines, stock and assembly, you're easily into $3,500+ territory. And while Swiss Arms makes a great gun, it's easily several pounds heavier than any of the others.
 
blaxsun said:
The MR1, XCR and Tavor are all really different rifles - and different price points. The Tavor is the most compact, but also the most expensive and the least accurate. The MR1 is on the other end of the price spectrum, is fairly accurate but doesn't have great ergonomics. The XCR falls somewhere in the middle, and is the most modular (you can dress it up to look AR-ish).
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Good points. To me accuracy (within reason) is not really of much concern as Im sure all guns will outshoot me from standing/kneeling. I don't do much shooting from a bench. Correct me if I'm wrong on this point. Im surprised and a little disappointed though that the Tavor is the least accurate, i thought it would have been the most. Is this just that the bullpup configuration is hard to be accurate with or is it the gun itself?
 
blaxsun said:
True. But by the time you add a finished lower to accept AR magazines, stock and assembly, you're easily into $3,500+ territory. And while Swiss Arms makes a great gun, it's easily several pounds heavier than any of the others.
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Oops, missed the part where he states using 10 round mags. My bad:)
 
wannabepl47 said:
Good points. To me accuracy (within reason) is not really of much concern as Im sure all guns will outshoot me from standing/kneeling. I don't do much shooting from a bench. Correct me if I'm wrong on this point. Im surprised and a little disappointed though that the Tavor is the least accurate, i thought it would have been the most. Is this just that the bullpup configuration is hard to be accurate with or is it the gun itself?
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I think to a certain degree you do trade off a bit of accuracy in a bullpup configuration, but I also think it has to do with the barrel and trigger on the Tavor (the latter which can be improved slightly). One of the most accurate bullpups out there is the NR heavy barrel version of the tactical FN FS2000, but these are extremely rare (near unobtanium).

The Tavor is great for casual plinking and 'yote patrol, and IMHO what you may marginally lose in accuracy is made up for in the compact and lightweight design. There's also the coolness/fun factor as well. That being said, it is in the $2,600-$2,800 price range.

Lots of people really like the XCR, and being able to "dress" it up like an AR might be a large part of the attraction. You can also run it in 6.8 SPC so the hunting aspect is certainly an appeal for some as well. With some nice upgrades, it's also in the same price range as the Tavor.
 
Well I bougt my xcr new, fired about 200 and had no issues at all other than my own operator error of not seating the mag, then I cleaned it. After 3800-4000 rounds later and countless muddy adventures later I cleaned it again. Still without one single issue, not a loose bolt or a feed or ejection... Absoutley flawless. I am not nice to my guns, this things is sh*t kicked, it's rusty and scratched all over. It gets put away not only wet but covered in mud. Sure I wish it cheaper but it was worth every penny it cost. One of the perks is it takes 30 seconds and 2 bolts to take it down to back pack size, and I do it all the time.
 
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