Trouble with tribbles... I mean shadows....

ndb86

ndb86

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Hi all. I've been consistantly shooting left so I have been attempting to drift my rear site the the right. However the damn thing will NOT budge no matter how big of hammer i smash it with!


I removed the setscrew completely so it's not holding it in place. anyone have any ideas for me? I tried a little heat on it too, but that did nothing.

Am I just not bashing it hard enough? should i run it over with my truck? throw it down the stairs? Lubricate it with my tears? Or is this one of those things that requires a gentle touch while whispering sweet nothings to it?

In case you missed it from the title it IS a shadow.
 
First - try shooting the gun from rest at 10 meters or less, pull the trigger sloooow, see where you print. Then - 15 meters. Give it to another shooter to try. I had a guy in class last Sun who shot way left, all the time, I tried his gun - it was spot on! If sight is off - you may need sight pusher; thing is - dove cut in slide for rear sight is tapered where sight goes from left (slide stop side) to right (extractor side). It'll be more difficult to move rear sight to the right.

It may as well be your trigger pull technique, some people do that and actually pre-compensate their guns' rear sights to 'correct' their errors. Thing is, it's only good at narrow range of distances.
 
CeeZer said:
First - try shooting the gun from rest at 10 meters or less, pull the trigger sloooow, see where you print. Then - 15 meters. Give it to another shooter to try. I had a guy in class last Sun who shot way left, all the time, I tried his gun - it was spot on! If sight is off - you may need sight pusher; thing is - dove cut in slide for rear sight is tapered where sight goes from left (slide stop side) to right (extractor side). It'll be more difficult to move rear sight to the right.

It may as well be your trigger pull technique, some people do that and actually pre-compensate their guns' rear sights to 'correct' their errors. Thing is, it's only good at narrow range of distances.
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At 15ish yards i'm about 6 inches left shooting from a rest. I had 2 other shooters try it and all of us had the same result. IE. it's the gun not the retard shooting it! lol

Soo do i just need to stop being a girly man and really bash that sight or is it not really possible to compensate that much?
 
Before hitting it hard, heat it up gently with a small torch. It should release the locktite. also, as CeeZeer said, try to move it to the left first, then it will be easier to move it to the right.
 
euxx said:
Before hitting it hard, heat it up gently with a small torch. It should release the locktite. also, as CeeZeer said, try to move it to the left first, then it will be easier to move it to the right.
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I did heat it up with the torch and tried going from right to left as well as left to right. the damn think hates me! lol
 
I saw a fellow try to adjust his... almost broke a 1/4" brass punch trying to get it moving, if I recall, I think he wound up skipping the brass part, eventually?
 
so what you're telling me is that i should wait until the next time i'm in Calgary at the TSE and get their smith to do it for me?
 
If "moderate" application of brute force and heat isn't workign for you, then you have two options left ... More Power or a Professional.

Fromt he soudns of what you ahve tried, I'd be inclined to shoot it "as is" until i could get it to a smith.
 
IMagius said:
If "moderate" application of brute force and heat isn't workign for you, then you have two options left ... More Power or a Professional.

Fromt he soudns of what you ahve tried, I'd be inclined to shoot it "as is" until i could get it to a smith.
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Yeah when i say bash and smash etc i really do mean moderate force so i think i'll leave it be for now.
 
Try backing out your overtravel screw on the trigger if it is sticking too far out you might actually be pulling against the frame and moving the gun to the left. And what everybody else suggested too.
 
A few things; it could be your grip, or a flinch or an excessively heavy trigger pull. If you have ruled all of these out by a process of elimination, then it could be your sights.

Now, you mention you are shooting left. But you want to move the rear sight to the right. This is intuitive but wrong. You see, you are assuming that the bore is aligned with the sights and if you move them right it will correct. In reality your bore is aiming left, whilst the sights are correct. So you must move the sights in the same direction to which you are missing, left. This will align the bore properly.

It is counter-intuitive, I know, but was explained to me by a gunsmith, and has produced results.
 
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Saffer said:
A few things; it could be your grip, or a flintch or an excessively heavy trigger pull. If you have ruled all of these out by a process of elimination, then it could be your sights.

Now, you mention you are shooting left. But you want to move the rear sight to the right. This is intuitive but wrong. You see, you are assuming that the bore is aligned with the sights and if you move them right it will correct. In reality your bore is aiming left, whilst the sights are correct. So you must move the sights in the same direction to which you are missing, left. This will align the bore properly.

It is counter-intuitive, I know, but was explained to me by a gunsmith, and has produced results.
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Mark,
It's not me or my grip, or a flinch. If that were the case then the benchrest has a flinch as well. lol i've also had others shoot it who have all had the same issue. even the target you get in the box from the shows it shooting left.
 
CeeZer said:
Take it to the smith you trust and who has proper tools too.
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Yeah my efforts have left a few scrathes on the sight and that's about all i have to show for it. It's not like i can't hit anything. It's just that if i hit where I aimed it would be a lot better!
 
Since the Shadow's rear sight hold-down went from a double to a single screw, there's been a flurry of trouble. I wish CZ went back to the previous design.
 
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