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Aimpoint P.R.O. on my AR...
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If you don't know the answer to this question, then suddenly I understand why you make the posts you do.
Clobbersauras
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Reduc, I like the video. I'm just wondering what mag pouch you are using?
Good choice with the pro, I use a micro and the only thing I don't like is the 4MOA dot size. I'd like to see a 2 MOA dot version.
Good choice with the pro, I use a micro and the only thing I don't like is the 4MOA dot size. I'd like to see a 2 MOA dot version.
I run a Comp M2 Aimpoint on my favourite AR. I don't feel "under-glassed" shooting it at my 200M range. As a plinking optic used mostly under 100M it is great and there is very little the newer Comp M3 or M4, or Micro H/T 1 can do at hundreds of dollars more. I have a certain fondness for it and the LaRue offset mount, simply for the nostalgia. I still think it looks pretty damn sharp, especially on a 14.5" M4gery such as my LMT. That said, I also own an M3 and M4. Great sights, but more "clunky" than their older brother. As for the Micro sites. Great optics and light to boot, but since weight really isn't a consideration for a range gun, and they don't allow me to see the target any better just 50-100M away, it is hard to justify spending twice as much for the equally capable older model. Cosmetically, I've never really warmed up to either the H1 or T1 as well. 'Dunno' why, just didn't.
What?!?!?! I thought you were reading ALL of my threads? <kidding>
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=665001
It came in the mail this week also so I had PLENTY of reasons to hit the range yesterday.
It worked pretty good I'd say... Was trying some admin reloads (stowing a mag back in the carrier). That's a bit diddly with a jacket on. But other than that it was fast and a vast improvement over stuffing my pockets and underpants.
Clobbersauras
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Oh right! Sorry I didn't realize that was you. That is a slick set up. You are right though, using pouches on a belt can be fussy when wearing a jacket. A chest rig can help solve some of those problems.
Seriously? You're saying a Vortex or Bushnell RDS are as good as Aimpoint? Wow....
While they are good optics for range or hobby shooting, and probably good enough for the large majority on this site, they're at a huge disadvantage when being compared to any Aimpoint, whether it's the C3, M2, M4, etc.
I have Micro's on a few of my guns and have never had a problem with precision compared to using the M4s. The dot size is great for the intended role as a CQB optic.
While some shooters can do amazing things with them (a guy at work regularly shots 2.5MOA at 200m, but the gun has the mechanical capability, and he isn't a typical hobby shooter), it's not intended for long distance precision work.
If you feel the dot is too big for what your doing with it (although I can't imagine what that would be), turning the optic down to 6-7 will give you the smaller dot you want.
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Seriously, all my s**t goes up to 11 on the volume scale and thats where I run it...
Clobbersauras
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For whatever reason, with my eyes, I tend to get a star-burst with red dot optics which makes the dot look bigger than it should. To me, it looks larger than 4moa at 100 yards. Turning down the intensity does help, but the dot tends to wash out for me. I usually have to keep it at level 9 or 10, which produces that star-burst effect.
Minute of large gong at 200yards is about the limit of my abilities with my micro and current AR. The +4MOA dot (for me) makes it much harder to hit the smaller 12" gongs at that distance. I know some people use the top of the dot for precision work, but I've never had much luck with that.
@Clobb. True a chest rig makes sense. I have a 10 year old Blackhawk vest. Too bulky for three AR mags and a couple of pistol mags. Plus theres the sling and pistol holster. Worst $400 I ever spent. AGAIN with getting sucked into the name game... Keep having to remind myself I'm NOT, nor was I ever... An 'operator'.
At least with the belt it's compact.
And I was running the P.R.O. At max brightness in those drills in the video. The lighting was harsh.
At least with the belt it's compact.
And I was running the P.R.O. At max brightness in those drills in the video. The lighting was harsh.
While the Micros are listed as 4 moa, I believe the dot measures out at about 2.8 moa. The diode they use is the 2 moa unit from the larger optics but the short body of the micro makes it appear larger.
Not that that helps anybody, of course...if you get a cluster effect as the result of an astigmatism or whatever (I do, although it's pretty minor for me luckily, I do have a very slight astigmatism in my right eye) the dot covers what it covers. I wish they could do a smaller dot in the Micro but I think really what I wish is that I didn't have that cluster effect. I suspect if I had no astigmatism I could be a little more precise at 150 or 200m with the micro, but that's life.
Strangely I had less trouble with an Eotech...not sure why. At any rate I still find the Aimpoints functional, I just had to spend a bit of time "learning" the dot to figure out where my rounds were hitting relative to the slightly clustery looking dot.
Although it's true, when I back the dot down to 6 or 7 I find the effect greatly reduced. And the minor clustering still only covers about 4 - 5 MOA at worst, and I have it mounted on a 58, so realistically if my shots stay under the size of the dot, that's about as good as I think the rifle + duck and cover era surplus ammo can physically do.
So in my case at least the precision issues are probably shooter- and not equipment-related.
Not that that helps anybody, of course...if you get a cluster effect as the result of an astigmatism or whatever (I do, although it's pretty minor for me luckily, I do have a very slight astigmatism in my right eye) the dot covers what it covers. I wish they could do a smaller dot in the Micro but I think really what I wish is that I didn't have that cluster effect. I suspect if I had no astigmatism I could be a little more precise at 150 or 200m with the micro, but that's life.
Strangely I had less trouble with an Eotech...not sure why. At any rate I still find the Aimpoints functional, I just had to spend a bit of time "learning" the dot to figure out where my rounds were hitting relative to the slightly clustery looking dot.
Although it's true, when I back the dot down to 6 or 7 I find the effect greatly reduced. And the minor clustering still only covers about 4 - 5 MOA at worst, and I have it mounted on a 58, so realistically if my shots stay under the size of the dot, that's about as good as I think the rifle + duck and cover era surplus ammo can physically do.
So in my case at least the precision issues are probably shooter- and not equipment-related.
I have the same problem, but not too bad (with the aimpoint anyway). Probably because I had laser surgery on my eyes years ago. The scar tissue causes the halo or starburst effects.
I'm the opposite. The optics on the guns this week were Eotech XPS2 and 3, and Aimpoint M4 and M4s. When going from the aimpoint to the eotech, the dot in the eotech wasn't too bad, but the ring turned into a huge halo, even if I turned it down. That's one of the many reasons I prefer Aimpoint over Eotech.....
The M4 and M4s were ok though.
Seriously, all my s**t goes up to 11 on the volume scale and thats where I run it...
Mine is a 2 MOA dot and I run it at 1 below maximum....at the highest setting, I find that the dot produces too much glare...sorta like looking at the sun, it takes up more area in the field of view.
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Did anyone answer this? They look pretty much the same to me?
Clobbersauras
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Great post misanthropist.
I bought a Maxpedition mini chest rig. I've only used it a few times, but it's a good piece of kit. It only holds three AR mags with room for a pistol mag on each side or whatever you want. Another option is to go with a mini chest shingle with molle attachments so you can configure it any way you want. I kinda wish I had done that.
What distance were you shooting at by the way?
I had laser surgery two years ago. I also had astigmatism in my right eye before the surgery, which I still have slightly.
The laser surgery was the best money I ever spent, by far. Now, if I could only learn how to shoot!
I bought a Maxpedition mini chest rig. I've only used it a few times, but it's a good piece of kit. It only holds three AR mags with room for a pistol mag on each side or whatever you want. Another option is to go with a mini chest shingle with molle attachments so you can configure it any way you want. I kinda wish I had done that.
What distance were you shooting at by the way?
I had laser surgery two years ago. I also had astigmatism in my right eye before the surgery, which I still have slightly.
The laser surgery was the best money I ever spent, by far. Now, if I could only learn how to shoot!
Aimpoint PRO
The PRO is basically a 2MOA CompM3 without the rubber cover and a free mount. In fact, it comes with the CompM3 manual in the box.
I have 6 of them, and a couple of CompM2s, and they are both pretty much the same. My understanding is that it was designed as competition for EoTechs on LEO Patrol Rifles.
Regards.
Mark
The PRO is basically a 2MOA CompM3 without the rubber cover and a free mount. In fact, it comes with the CompM3 manual in the box.
I have 6 of them, and a couple of CompM2s, and they are both pretty much the same. My understanding is that it was designed as competition for EoTechs on LEO Patrol Rifles.
Regards.
Mark
mebiuspower
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So why did they get rid of the rubber cover? Sounds like the original M2 or M3 with a Larue mount is more robust....
I think it's meant more as an affordable optic for the average cop or soldier to mount on their patrol rifle or otherwise.
I don't think ditching the rubber cover takes a lot away from the ability to take abuse. And while the LaRue mount would be more desirable, packing the optic and mount together in an affordable package makes it easier for a cop or soldier to get a quality RDS on their guns. Yes, I agree, optics should be provided..... But if they aren't, this would be a good option
I don't think ditching the rubber cover takes a lot away from the ability to take abuse. And while the LaRue mount would be more desirable, packing the optic and mount together in an affordable package makes it easier for a cop or soldier to get a quality RDS on their guns. Yes, I agree, optics should be provided..... But if they aren't, this would be a good option
Approximately.
Right 15m. A's 4 C's and a couple of D's
Centre 30m. 3 A's mostly C's 1 D
Left 25m. 2 A's Mostly C's and 2 D's
In the last run I did triples 2 centre 1 high and made triangles on all three targets. Happy with that.
More significantly: No misses. <fist pump>
Clobbersauras
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Good shooting! It's cool that you have the range space to spread out multiple targets at varying distances.
I'm not familiar with the sizing of your targets. How large are the zones (A-D)?
I'm not familiar with the sizing of your targets. How large are the zones (A-D)?
