Question about CO behaviour

[the spank]

If I'm not mistaken, I dont think wardens have to ask any private land owner for access to land. Provided it is to carry out thier job.
I tend to think that he would know this. So, I would guess his asking permission may be generally legitimate, even if it is a little questionable.

Hope you can resolve it without any confrontation.

Sorry but yes they do. So do Police. In the province of Ontario at least, a peace officer may not set foot on your property without permission. I have sent a few of them off the property over complaints from neighbors in the past and when they kept coming back I took down badge numbers and names, called the Sargeant in charge and asked to have charges laid against them for harassment and trespass. That put an end to them at my door. C.O's in Ontario have a peace officer rating and have the same set of rules as anyone else. I hunted a farm years ago where the farmer got P'O'd at a local C.O for continually driving out to check us first thing in the morning during the birds flight's and interrupting our hunt. He told the C.O to get off his property, if he wanted to check us he could wait at the end of the driveway on the Concession Rd and check us when we left. We never saw him set foot on the guys grain field again. Most of the C.O's I have met up with over the years are pretty respectful guys who do their jobs properly and well. They will wait in a laneway access to a field to check us on the way out or wait by our trucks for us and most of them have established working relationships or even friendships with landowners and hunt some of the same places we do. That is just the nature of their jobs and theirs and our hobbies. Personally I kind of like having them around, it keeps the dishonest guys honest!!

 

[pharaoh2]

I saw 4 police cars sitting at a cafe today. My taxes pay their wages. I DEMAND SATISFACTION!!!

 

[canvasback]

Apparently many on this thread are unable to do that. They keep bringing up intimidation, abuse of power, etc when what actually occurred was that a CO asked for permission to hunt on a farm. He didn't make any veiled threats or try to intimidate, just had a conversation.

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Considering that the responses involved conjuring up all sorts of negative scenarios involving abuse and intimidation, it's not that big a leap.



If the farmer thought it was unethical, he is free to deny permission. What actually occurred was that someone got second hand information and made a big deal about it.

Some guys like to freak out and cry ethics and then make up hypothetical abuse of power scenarios. Others are like me and just see a hunter that happens to be in uniform, that took an opportunity to have a short conversation and ask for permission.

No cause for alarm, no reason to make a complaint at the office. No reason to express outrage as a taxpayer that this civil servant is wasting a few minutes. No need to stick your nose into others business, although I realize that some people just can't resist the compulsion to be nosy.

To begin with, you describe the situation as though we know all of what got said and how it got said. But we don't actually know what happened. We have hearsay...a farmer told the OP about an experience the farmer had. We don't know that it was "just a conversation". May easily have been just that. But maybe not. No bigger leap than your take.

Then when it suits your point you describe what we are talking about as a second hand story. You are right. It is. But logically, you can't have it both ways. Either we know it accurately, as you say first or it's second hand and suspect as you suggest later. Which is it?

I don't see how asking a question about it on CGN is making a "big deal" about it. Isn't that what these forums are for? To discuss actual and potential situations we may encounter. Many people probably find this discussion valuable because it has provided an opportunity to consider how they might respond in a similar situation, before it actually happens, thereby allowing them to be more prepared. Any problem with that? Is there something wrong with that?

What I don't get, Gatehouse, is rather than just state your view, you feel compelled to belittle those posters who express a differing opinion. One that, given the little we actually know, could be just as likely as what you describe. Bedwetters, nosy, gossipy old ladies. I suspect you are grinding some axe, just not being straightforward about it.

I like Kelly's story. Some jerk made some false accusations against him and it sounds like he was able to refute it easily and get on with his hunting. I suspect it turned out that way, not because Kelly knew the CO but because he's probably an ethical, legal hunter and a good guy. But I'm theorizing. LOL

 

[Gatehouse]

i saw 4 police cars sitting at a cafe today. My taxes pay their wages. I demand satisfaction!!!

 

[the spank]

^^^ Well perhaps... I see it as an abuse of his position using taxpayer resources. Maybe the guy is a stand up guy, maybe he isn't. I don't care. As I see it, if he wants to ask permission, he should do so without his badge. If he is investigating something, that's fine, he is doing his job and I will support him with any info I can provide.

I agree with that sentiment as well, he is paid with our tax dollars. His uniform and badge are bought with our tax dollars, the MNR truck he is driving was purchased, insured,fueled and maintained with our tax dollars. He can do like any one else and do his personal business on HIS time and HIS dollar!!!

 

[ckc123]

Sorry but yes they do. So do Police. In the province of Ontario at least, a peace officer may not set foot on your property without permission. C.O's in Ontario have a peace officer rating and have the same set of rules as anyone else.

No. a CO has MORE powers for inspection then a LEO. .they DO NOT need a warrent to do a search if they rightfully suspect you have something.

 

[Gatehouse]

To begin with, you describe the situation as though we know all of what got said and how it got said. But we don't actually know what happened. We have hearsay...a farmer told the OP about an experience the farmer had. We don't know that it was "just a conversation". May easily have been just that. But maybe not. No bigger leap than your take.

If the OP is going to go to the trouble of calling in a complaint, I am sure he would have included in his post any information about abuse of power or anything else of interest. So yeah, it was just a conversation.

Then when it suits your point you describe what we are talking about as a second hand story. You are right. It is. But logically, you can't have it both ways. Either we know it accurately, as you say first or it's second hand and suspect as you suggest later. Which is it?

Of course it's a second hand story. It's in the original post. Pay attention, please.

I don't see how asking a question about it on CGN is making a "big deal" about it.

Posting on CGN isn't making a big deal about anything. Calling in a complaint is making a big deal, though.

Isn't that what these forums are for? To discuss actual and potential situations we may encounter. Many people probably find this discussion valuable because it has provided an opportunity to consider how they might respond in a similar situation, before it actually happens, thereby allowing them to be more prepared. Any problem with that? Is there something wrong with that?

Are these rhetorical questions too? Or did you want me to actually answer this?

What I don't get, Gatehouse, is rather than just state your view, you feel compelled to belittle those posters who express a differing opinion. One that, given the little we actually know, could be just as likely as what you describe. Bedwetters, nosy, gossipy old ladies. I suspect you are grinding some axe, just not being straightforward about it.

I'm pretty direct. If someone is acting like a gossipy old lady or a bedwetter, I will let them know. In person, too.

In this case, a bunch of bedwetters jumped to the conclusion that the CO was abusing his power, intimidating, being unethical and wasting taxpayer dollars by talking to a farmer for a few minutes.

I like Kelly's story. Some jerk made some false accusations against him and it sounds like he was able to refute it easily and get on with his hunting. I suspect it tuned out that way, not because Kelly knew the CO but because he's probably an ethical, legal hunter and a good guy. But I'm theorizing. LOL[

It's a nice story with a happy ending.

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

<<<<<<<<<<Legal and ethical, possibly, good guy , let's not push it!!!

 

[joe-nwt]

No different than stopping at a c-store for a pack of gum while in a company vehicle. Or stopping to check the mail on the way home. Or pick the kids up from some extra-curricular activity. Everyone does it because it's handy.

I can just see the other scenario: the CO does come after hours in his own vehicle and when asked what he does for a living says CO! Can you imagine what this thread would look like then? It would be full of crap about sneaky, unethical under-cover CO that have no authority when they aren't wearing a uniform, blah, blah,blah,..........and likely from the same people!

 

[canvasback]

Gatehouse, all I can say at this point is you are hilarious.

 

[Gatehouse]

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No different than stopping at a c-store for a pack of gum while in a company vehicle. Or stopping to check the mail on the way home. Or pick the kids up from some extra-curricular activity. Everyone does it because it's handy.

Or talking to your wife on the phone while you are on the clock....etc etc

I can just see the other scenario: the CO does come after hours in his own vehicle and when asked what he does for a living says CO! Can you imagine what this thread would look like then? It would be full of crap about sneaky, unethical under-cover CO that have no authority when they aren't wearing a uniform, blah, blah,blah,..........and likely from the same people!

ha ha so true....

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Sorry, but have to do a slight hi-jack to tell a related story.

Coming back from sighting in out at my favorite location couple weeks ago, just before getting back onto the main highway, there out in a freshly combined and baled field was a Dept of Highways truck with a wagon behind it hauling bales out.

I would say that is going a bit over the line.

 

[Gatehouse]

Gatehouse, all I can say at this point is you are hilarious.

Not an unexpected response.................

 

[joe-nwt]

Sorry, but have to do a slight hi-jack to tell a related story.

Coming back from sighting in out at my favorite location couple weeks ago, just before getting back onto the main highway, there out in a freshly combined and baled field was a Dept of Highways truck with a wagon behind it hauling bales out.

I would say that is going a bit over the line.

Unless the DOH bought some straw bales for erosion control or some other reas........wait, what am I saying!?! Call the minister! Call the police! Call everybody! Let's get to the bottom of this right now!

 

[canvasback]

The biggest problem with this thread right now is that it is Saturday night in hunting season and we are all staring at our screens instead of being out somewhere getting ready to hunt in the morning.

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

Speak for yourself, I am ready to go, and didn't see squat tonight in the stand!

So, my frustration is being typed into meaningless threads.

The biggest problem with this thread right now is that it is Saturday night in hunting season and we are all staring at our screens instead of being out somewhere getting ready to hunt in the morning.

 

[powdergun]

Hey KT isn't that the way every year around PA. Deer everywhere in Oct but as soon as rifle starts they vanish. Give it two weeks. Thing quite down out there after the early season rush and they start poking their heads out again.

 

[crazydave]

I saw 4 police cars sitting at a cafe today. My taxes pay their wages. I DEMAND SATISFACTION!!!

If you compare coffee break to half a work sift i think you should get your rolling eyes checked, could be some unknown damage

 

[cate5470]

A simple check of the authorities of an Ontario Conservation Officer under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act reveals that you are incorrect.

Entry on private land

94. A conservation officer acting under this Act may enter private land and may authorize any other person acting under his or her direction to enter private land, with or without the officer, for the purpose of assisting the officer.

Sorry but yes they do. So do Police. In the province of Ontario at least, a peace officer may not set foot on your property without permission. I have sent a few of them off the property over complaints from neighbors in the past and when they kept coming back I took down badge numbers and names, called the Sargeant in charge and asked to have charges laid against them for harassment and trespass. That put an end to them at my door. C.O's in Ontario have a peace officer rating and have the same set of rules as anyone else. I hunted a farm years ago where the farmer got P'O'd at a local C.O for continually driving out to check us first thing in the morning during the birds flight's and interrupting our hunt. He told the C.O to get off his property, if he wanted to check us he could wait at the end of the driveway on the Concession Rd and check us when we left. We never saw him set foot on the guys grain field again. Most of the C.O's I have met up with over the years are pretty respectful guys who do their jobs properly and well. They will wait in a laneway access to a field to check us on the way out or wait by our trucks for us and most of them have established working relationships or even friendships with landowners and hunt some of the same places we do. That is just the nature of their jobs and theirs and our hobbies. Personally I kind of like having them around, it keeps the dishonest guys honest!!

 

[kjohn]

Why, I would never stop at a farmer's yard and shoot the breeze with him while in uniform, and ask if I could shoot gophers on his land. My, My! That is just so unethical, immoral, and downright dangerous even!!

I was in a grocery store one day getting a jug of milk. This worldly fellow asked me, in a snarly voice, if I was allowed to shop while on duty. I looked at him, smiled, and replied, "Oh yes", and walked away. One of the local big thinkers.