4 legged cougars

I understand that cougars cant eat frozen carion, their jaws and teeth were not designed for it?.

Therefore they must kill fresh deer almost every day in the winter.

That would take a heavy toll on the deer population anywhere, and the coyotes eat the leftovers... maybe thats why coyotes are getting bigger and we are seeing less deer??..
 
I understand that cougars cant eat frozen carion, their jaws and teeth were not designed for it?.

Therefore they must kill fresh deer almost every day in the winter.

That would take a heavy toll on the deer population anywhere, and the coyotes eat the leftovers... maybe thats why coyotes are getting bigger and we are seeing less deer??..
Coyotes are going to be eating well Monday.. all the injured deer and lost deer =/
 
Why not? Again IF they did. What happens when someone gets attacked and dies? Easier to let it slide as growing cougar populations that are expanding in area, no liability(again IF). But IF their reintroduction is linked to humans it's more likely they were released or escaped from private owners.



But again, that's simply IF released. Of course it's more probable that they just slowly expanded over decades.

If , and that's a big if, they are present in Que/Ont then I would accept this as being the most likely scenario. But again I'll believe it when someone actually shows up with a cougar carcass. Until then...I don't think so.
 
If , and that's a big if, they are present in Que/Ont then I would accept this as being the most likely scenario. But again I'll believe it when someone actually shows up with a cougar carcass. Until then...I don't think so.

There is no "if's" about the presence of cougars in Quebec.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Photos+Cougars+Quebec/5483280/story.html
 
iirc, the mnr has admitted to a cougar population of about 500 in Ont. I don't know if they released them or not. A fellow near Port Stanley, (1/2 hour south of London) claims to have shot one and supposedly has a pic of another one on his property. A member of my buddy's hunting party was talking to another hunter up near Thunder Bay beginning of October who had a pic of a cougar on his cell phone. I haven't seen any pics or solid evidence myself but keep hearing stuff like this so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there is a few around.
 
I think it was 16 or 17 yearsago our scout troupe went to shawville tolearn how to make bows from a couple fellows that had a cabin up in the woods and they had a cougar pelt on the wall that they claimed was arrowed on the property several years earlier when they were teens. guessing 60's or 70's.
 
If , and that's a big if, they are present in Que/Ont

If she could, I think this horse would tell you there are cougars in Quebec. As for seeing a carcass as proof, I believe they have one that was hit by a car a while ago.

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Just curious being in ontario what all do I need to have in order, if I wanted to hunt a cougar say if it was hanging around my house (semi rural area) and was possibly going to be a threat?
 
Cougars need about 9lbs of meat a day just to survive, seeing as a cougars every hunt is not successfull they eat as much as they can when they get the chance.

They will eat a lot of deer
 
i wonder what their historic range was? if you read david thompson, while in SE BC in 1808, one of his indian hunters killed "some type of tiger". this from a man who travelled very widely and worked in the fur trade. you'd think he'd have been familiar with cougars if they ranged east of the rockies.
 
were would you look for a den?how would you hunt them would they come in on a rabbit destress call?

That would be a bit like looking for the proverbial needle in the haystack.
I did come across a fresh den once, however, but of course, just by pure chance.
It was on a sloping hillside, not steep, in an area of quite large birch and poplar, with lots of leaves on the ground. It was less than half a mile from a paved back road and recreational lake. There was dry dirt from the diggings, with tracks coming and going.
I didn't stick my head in it, to see if anybody was home!
 
thanks h 4831

were i live there is lots of farm land and no mountains,and were they seem to be spotted is in the area were there are pine and hemloc trees.maybe this was the way the bioligis thought to drop the deer population go ficgure.
 
There is no "if's" about the presence of cougars in Quebec.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Photos+Cougars+Quebec/5483280/story.html

Ok. Thanks for the link. Obviously I stand to be corrected. I will be keeping a close watch on any updates on cougars. Right now I am packing up and going to the deer camp. Good luck to all!
 
To my knowledge there has never been a "release" of cougars anywhere in Canada. Any serious thinking about what it would take to raise a population of cougars in captivity, but with all the conditions necessary for ensuring they could hunt and survive when released will reveal just how silly that idea is, especially when it seems cougars are expanding their territories in many regions of Canada. There is just no need for such a complex, difficult, expensive, and environmentally useless program.

Cougars are very secretive animals, and the live in many places that people don't expect them to be just because they seldom get spotted. The fact there is often so much conjecture and surprise when someone spots one, or when one tries to use domestic animals as food (as if someone "introduced" them) is not because there are so few, but because they hardly ever interact with human activity.

They can eat quite a few deer in a year, but they are not going to be the reason any deer population falls. Winter kills and vehicles are far more important factors in varying deer populations that cougars. Here in Saskatchewan in 2005 over 11,000 deer were killed on Saskatchewan roads. THAT is an expensive waste of a resource. I don't think cougars in Saskatchewan (and they most certainly are all over the province) are a major problem for deer.

I understand that cougars cant eat frozen carion, their jaws and teeth were not designed for it?.

I don't think they have any problem gnawing off a piece of frozen meat. The DO, apparently, have problems keeping coyotes, wolves, magpies, ravens, etc. from cleaning up the carcasses. They are not huge predators, and protecting an old kill is often more "expensive" for them than getting another. If a magpie can get meat off a frozen carcass with nothing but a pointy beak, I would expect a cougar's evolution prepared it to snack on one too.
 
Ok. Thanks for the link. Obviously I stand to be corrected. I will be keeping a close watch on any updates on cougars. Right now I am packing up and going to the deer camp. Good luck to all!

Cougars have been sited in S Ont for a number of yrs now.
If you can Google "Bancroft Times" newspaper you will see quite a number of sightings from responsible citizens over the last 3-4 yrs.
You can choose to call them "unconfirmed" if you please, I believe it was also a number of yrs before it was "cofirmed" the earth was not actually flat too :rolleyes:
 
Odds are there are a lot more in Ontario and Quebec than MNR will acknowledge.

About 15 years ago, while the Manitoba MNR was still suggesting publicly there were no signs of them in Manitoba, my father ran into one while walking his dog (chessie/mastiff cross...good dog to have when you come across a cougar) while walking the golf course in LaSalle, 5 miles south of Winnipeg. At the time, the best official report suggested unconfirmed sighting in Riding Mountain area.

Just a few years ago a tagged cougar moved between southern Manitoba and southern Minnesota (can't remember which direction). Same distance as between Winnipeg and Thunday Bay but with a lot more population.

I have no idea whether the reluctance of MNR to acknowledge the growth of cougar populations back east across most of their original range is based on normal scientific reticence to say nothing until one can be sure or because of concern about stirring up anti wildlife sentiment and the concern of liability. I suspect the former. I suspect that if we think they are in an area because of unconfirmed sighting, animal attacks, suspected tracks or scat, they are.
 
I have no idea whether the reluctance of MNR to acknowledge the growth of cougar populations back east across most of their original range is based on normal scientific reticence to say nothing until one can be sure or because of concern about stirring up anti wildlife sentiment and the concern of liability. I suspect the former. I suspect that if we think they are in an area because of unconfirmed sighting, animal attacks, suspected tracks or scat, they are.

Agreed. I can only imagine how hard it would be to do a "cougar population survey" of, say northern Ontario, that had any scientific validity. Lots of residents of rural areas know darn well that cougars are around, but proof is always very elusive, and, as with most other eye witness testimony, anecdotal reports are not science.
 
In the fall of 2005 We were living across the road from the Nordic Ski trails (hwy 40 just south of town. For those who know Grande Prairie)

There was a 95lb female hit on the 2 lane high way. I was roaming around the ski trails the week before. Didn't see allot of deer tracks on the trails. I knew there were deer and moose in the area.

In hind sight what I realized that there were allot of on the trails. Human tracks.

Something that I have always kept in mind in my travels.
 
my buddy shot a buck last fall that had huge claw marks on its back and was missing part of its real hoof. The buck was on its last legs (literally) and was standing in his back field, he said he snuck up to it to 20 yards (couldn't believe it) then shot it with his bow. Then walked up and seen the damage on it. He figures its a cougar, we get about one reported cougar sighting a month around here, my buddies dad that is a big time hunter said one crossed the road in front of him a couple months ago, I believe this guy.
 
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