Norinco M-14S How Well Do Yours Shoot?
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Kayser Sose
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Van Isle
Prone, having found that 43g or IMR4895 over a Hornady 150gr BTFMJ will give me 2-3 inch groups, using a sling. A touch better with the 168 BTHP load I'm at so far...
I am completely pleased with my inexpensive rifle. A bit of personalisation, load work-up, and practice and it's working out.
As well I'm finding that my load is light, as well as accurate; brass lands predictably and recoil is very manageable.
I am completely pleased with my inexpensive rifle. A bit of personalisation, load work-up, and practice and it's working out.
As well I'm finding that my load is light, as well as accurate; brass lands predictably and recoil is very manageable.
KyleSchenk
CGN Regular
Unitizing the gas system is the best thing you can do to reduce group size with these rifles in my experience. As stated above ammo plays a larger factor as well. Out of curiosity I bought a box of Hornady steel match to see how they performed. 4'' groups 
was not impressed.
I shot this group @100m 2 weeks ago when starting to to some load development. Using 4895 as it was the only powder I had on hand after recently moving.
Not a whole lot done to the gun.
-USGI stock that needs bedding still, kinda sloppy in the heel.
-Forget what make but sst NM oprod spring guide.
-Unitized gas system
-Reamed flash hider
-Arms 18 mount, millet rings and falcon 4-14 scope
Planning on doing a barrel & bolt swap and an archangel stock at some point in the near future.
was not impressed. I shot this group @100m 2 weeks ago when starting to to some load development. Using 4895 as it was the only powder I had on hand after recently moving.
Not a whole lot done to the gun.
-USGI stock that needs bedding still, kinda sloppy in the heel.
-Forget what make but sst NM oprod spring guide.
-Unitized gas system
-Reamed flash hider
-Arms 18 mount, millet rings and falcon 4-14 scope
Planning on doing a barrel & bolt swap and an archangel stock at some point in the near future.
Difficult to answer so I didn't vote. Pointless.
Factory ammo = one MOA
Hand loads = different MOA
Cold weather = yet another MOA
Hot weather = something else
Hot barrel, cold barrel, burts, rapid fire, slow fire........
And the most IMPORTANT factor.....ME
Hungover = who knows what
2 cans of Red Balls = only God knows.
An honest MOA in ALL conditions, any day, any environment, any ammo with ME as the added kicker........... 5.5 MOA
Just being honest Can get a .587 MOA sometimes, but it means NOTHING!
Factory ammo = one MOA
Hand loads = different MOA
Cold weather = yet another MOA
Hot weather = something else
Hot barrel, cold barrel, burts, rapid fire, slow fire........
And the most IMPORTANT factor.....ME
Hungover = who knows what
2 cans of Red Balls = only God knows.
An honest MOA in ALL conditions, any day, any environment, any ammo with ME as the added kicker........... 5.5 MOA
Just being honest
Can get a .587 MOA sometimes, but it means NOTHING!
Kayser Sose
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Van Isle
So, we're settled then?
A serviceable, 'service rifle'? lol
A serviceable, 'service rifle'? lol
Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Yukon
Both mine are in the 1 - 2" category. Based on my rather limited experience, I'm honestly surprised how many M14's out there are shooting larger groups than that.
Didn't want to post without a picture!
5 shot group @ 100 yards. First 4 shots where touching then started thinking, "OMG a 1 hole group!!" and jerked the last shot. Oh well. 40.5 grains of IMR 4895 launching cheapo 150 grain FMJs from Tradex. Gas was turned off to try to see how this thing will shoot with a round spring guide.
Also, this was with a 1996 purchased M14 sporting the much hated B-Square aluminum scope mount and a 3-9x bushnell buckhorn. She was Hunrgy'd in the Jan 2011 Barrie clinic!
5 shot group @ 100 yards. First 4 shots where touching then started thinking, "OMG a 1 hole group!!" and jerked the last shot. Oh well. 40.5 grains of IMR 4895 launching cheapo 150 grain FMJs from Tradex. Gas was turned off to try to see how this thing will shoot with a round spring guide.
Also, this was with a 1996 purchased M14 sporting the much hated B-Square aluminum scope mount and a 3-9x bushnell buckhorn. She was Hunrgy'd in the Jan 2011 Barrie clinic!
Ar180shooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Ottawa, ON
Prone with iron sights mine would shoot about 3-4". I'm sure this could be shrunk by 1-2" with the use of optics.
Mines not stock
Has all had fitted usgi parts and a krieger DMR. Cloverleafs federal powershock and winchester bonded 150gr inside a quarter , easily and reliably with irons sittin on the ground
Some folks here have seen it first hand.
In reality a rack grade M14 of any kind getting consistant 3 - 4 MOA is respectable, sub 2".... She's a keeper 4 sure ;D
Has all had fitted usgi parts and a krieger DMR. Cloverleafs federal powershock and winchester bonded 150gr inside a quarter , easily and reliably with irons sittin on the ground
Some folks here have seen it first hand.
In reality a rack grade M14 of any kind getting consistant 3 - 4 MOA is respectable, sub 2".... She's a keeper 4 sure ;D
Didn't want to post without a picture!
5 shot group @ 100 yards. First 4 shots where touching then started thinking, "OMG a 1 hole group!!" and jerked the last shot. Oh well. 40.5 grains of IMR 4895 launching cheapo 150 grain FMJs from Tradex. Gas was turned off to try to see how this thing will shoot with a round spring guide.
Also, this was with a 1996 purchased M14 sporting the much hated B-Square aluminum scope mount and a 3-9x bushnell buckhorn. She was Hunrgy'd in the Jan 2011 Barrie clinic!
SoBored...I remember you from Hungry's Barrie clinic. IIRC, you had a bit of a problem doing roll pin fixes...how'd that finally work out?
Do you shoot at SSA?, if so, haven't seen ya there on the high power range .
BigDotGlock
Regular
Finally got my stock 18.5" out to the range, but I was losing daylight by the time I got to shoot it. I only got a chance shoot at 25yds, not enough light to see hits at 100yds. It grouped 3/4" at 25yd, I'll go ahead and call that 3-4" at 100yds. I have some parts coming, going to do some work to it, I'll see how it shoots atfter a little work.
Being how cheap the rifle was, and I wanted a project, I'm happy with 3-4moa stock. It might shoot better than me anyway.
Being how cheap the rifle was, and I wanted a project, I'm happy with 3-4moa stock. It might shoot better than me anyway.
Yeah, the roll pins kept going in about 3/4 of the way then splitting or bending. I think we tried 5 pins and the last one was good enough that we decided to leave it as was. The Hungry clinic took my gun from a 2.5" 5 shot group to a 1.5" 5 shot group. Eventually I'll get a Sadlak steel mount and see how she does then.
There's a group that tries to meet at the high power range at the SSA every Sunday around 1:00p. I go as often as I can which isn't much this year as we had our third kid in Feb. I'll PM you the next time I'm certain to go.
Over the past twenty years, I have shot three different Norincos on DND Ranges at distances between 200 to 600 metres...the three rifles would consistently shoot within 1, to 2 mins of angle at 200yds/200 metres..and on to 600 metres. At 500 yards for example with the first Norinco I obtained from Lever Arms in Vancouver..it would consistently stay on a metallic target hanging plate whose key impact area was the same size as a piece of paper..8.5 inches by 11"..with Iron Sights..sure you have to read the wind and really the KEY point is as much the AMMO as the rifle...IVI versus Federal Match for example...yet IVI was used to shot the above,,..I think the Norinco M-14 is the Best Rifle you can purchase for both the money and its use..IF I could have only one rifle it would be a NM M-14 properly set up with a scope mount for a 3x9 quality scope..the all purpose can do anything rifle...
If I really knuckle down and focus on the fundamentals, have the range to myself, and haven't drank too much coffee, I can get 3 Federal Fusions into 2 inches at 100yards from a bench with irons. However, the barrel has to be cold and I have to give it about 20sec between shots. MFS ball opens up to about double that.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
3-4 inches at 100 meters with irons from the bench with surplus ammo.
These aren't tack drivers out of the box, all I did to mine was replace the junk rear sights and file the front post down until I calibrated them at 9 clicks to the 100 meter mark.
They can become tack drivers if you choose to put thousands of dollars of stuff on a $500 gun.
That being said, it is my favorite rifle of all of mine Just all around awesome.
These aren't tack drivers out of the box, all I did to mine was replace the junk rear sights and file the front post down until I calibrated them at 9 clicks to the 100 meter mark.
They can become tack drivers if you choose to put thousands of dollars of stuff on a $500 gun.
That being said, it is my favorite rifle of all of mine
Just all around awesome.After tuning it, using the benchrest mine and custom ammo, mine shot about 1 - 2" group at 300 yards with the iron sights. That included re-setting after each shot. My front blade is also filed narrower.
Now, that said, I can hit the 18" gong, sitting, prone, sitting at able all day long at 300 yards. average is about 1.5" at 100 if I breath correctly and take my time. Not a tack driver, but also not a dud either. And she's all mine!
Now, that said, I can hit the 18" gong, sitting, prone, sitting at able all day long at 300 yards. average is about 1.5" at 100 if I breath correctly and take my time. Not a tack driver, but also not a dud either. And she's all mine!
Had my 2007 14s scoped, shot maybe 40 rounds with it, was terribly unimpressed, put it in the safe and walked away.
Fast forward a year, took it out yesterday with just irons and burned through some left over 180 grain remmy (i know, i know, should be 150) before the planned sell off to fund a new rifle.
2-3 inch groups completely stock with the iron sights? suddenly I'm thinking I have a winter project.
Fast forward a year, took it out yesterday with just irons and burned through some left over 180 grain remmy (i know, i know, should be 150) before the planned sell off to fund a new rifle.
2-3 inch groups completely stock with the iron sights? suddenly I'm thinking I have a winter project.
I guess mine's part of the minority, but when I beta tested the m14.ca scope rails, I was able to shoot sub moa on a bipod relatively quickly without much effort. Even got the thing' smokin hot. But who knows, maybe I got a very lucky norinco?
