Honest Sir... we didn't steal Webley's design... it's circumstantial!

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So I picked up this lovely little 1936 Enfield manufactured No.2MkI revolver marked to the Royal Tank Corps Depot at Bovington Camp, Dorset. Weapon No. 911. It's a cancelled marking, probably because between 1936 and 1938 the Corps was renamed the Royal Tank Regiment, decentralized from Dorset, and expended to 51 battalions to go fight Hitler.

Lovely little piece really with better than 90% finish and it's never been rebuilt, refurbed, or even ham-fistedly disassembled. Wonder how it braved the war with so little wear in evidence (?).

As you may know, there is a fair bit of controversy around the Enfield No.2MkI. The basic story is that RSAF Enfield basically STOLE the Webley design and made the Enfield No.2MkI revolver - very nearly an outright clone of the Webley. Nevertheless, Enfield could not supply these in enough quantity during the war so a large quantity of real Webleys also had to be purchased.

Rather than type it all out, here is the Wikipedia take on those events, primarily excerpted from Ian Skennerton's book on the No.2 revolver.

Webley & Scott immediately tendered the .38/200 calibre Webley Mk IV revolver, which as well as being nearly identical in appearance to the .455 calibre Mk VI revolver (albeit scaled down for the smaller cartridge), was based on their .38 calibre Webley Mk III pistol, designed for the police and civilian markets. Much to their surprise, the British Government took the design to the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock, which came up with a revolver that was externally very similar looking to the .38/200 calibre Webley Mk IV , but was internally different enough that no parts from the Webley could be used in the Enfield and vice-versa. The Enfield-designed pistol was quickly accepted under the designation Revolver, No. 2 Mk I, and was adopted in 1932, followed in 1938 by the Mk I* (spurless hammer, double action only), and finally the Mk I** (simplified for wartime production) in 1942.
Webley & Scott sued the British Government over the incident, claiming £2250 as "costs involved in the research and design" of the revolver. This was contested by RSAF Enfield, which quite firmly stated that the Enfield No. 2 Mk I was designed by Captain Boys (the Assistant Superintendent of Design, later of Boys Anti-Tank Rifle fame) with assistance from Webley & Scott, and not the other way around. Accordingly, their claim was denied. By way of compensation, the Royal Commission on Awards to Inventors eventually awarded Webley & Scott £1250 for their work.

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Very nice, and a most significant marking as well!

It took me a number of years, but I finally got a Number 2 Mark 1 just last year. It lives in the steel chest with the other Number 2s, of course...... and a Webley, just for good measure. This one is a replacement for my Dad's 1931 Enfield with RAF markings, which was "accidentally sold" during an estate scrap.

They are a nice gun, very Webley and very openly and honestly.The only liars in the crowd are the Gummint lackies; the guns are honest!

I just wonder sometimes: am I the ONLY person to notice that in either of thse guns, there are only TWO parts which have to be made from round stock: the cylinder and the ejector/extractor? The entire rest of the guns, both of them, are milled out of flat plate.

That is REAL design work; reduces the eternal dependance on the lathe to those two parts and finishing the inside of the bore..... ideal for workshop production. Drill, mill, saw. file and oh yeah, I guess a lathe: we're in production!

But once more: a very nice pair!
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I've got an old 1936 Enfileld .38 I bought off an old guy in Pembroke, Ont, in the early 90's for 70.00. It's marked Royal Airforce ( R.A.F), and is the spitting image of the one at the top ! Same finish, same condition. Amazing.. This year I got to put two boxes of ammo through it as well, its a great little gun, nice recoil..
 
I also have an RAF marked enfield and a webley....both in mint condition...bought from Allen Lever along with the .455 Webley. All came from New Zealand War Reserve in the 1970's. The webley is mint to new. I also got the little green wooden boxes of 38sw military ammo. $15.00 for the first two and $25.00 for the .455.
 
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