257 Roberts VS 25-06 VS .243Win

ciphery said:
What about a$649 Rem 700 sps Varmint/243 ?
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Although some people on the interweb hate the SPS with a firey passion, I don't at all. The one I had was a really good budget gun. So if that's the gun you want, then go for it. But I personally wouldn't buy a heavy barrel gun for deer hunting because I usually walk 10+ miles a day when I hunt for deer. So I like light guns.
 
Huntin' Gun said:
Although some people on the interweb hate the SPS with a firey passion, I don't at all. The one I had was a really good budget gun. So if that's the gun you want, then go for it. But I personally wouldn't buy a heavy barrel gun for deer hunting because I usually walk 10+ miles a day when I hunt for deer. So I like light guns.
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Its lighter than the full military configured M44 I use now. lol. And only 1lb heavier than the VTR
Had a chance to see a SPS Varmint in action on Sunday....not impressed. :( I was liking the Rem :(
 
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bearhunter338-06 said:
Now let me through a wrench into your 257 Roberts research. Most of the reloading manuals list mild pressures for the 257 Roberts, not +P loads, witch are loaded to higher pressures. The Ruger you are looking at can handle the +P loads.

The Roberts has proven it's self (and the 243) many, many time on moose and elk. 115gr Nosler Partition with a muzzle velocity of 3050 FPS, or a Barns 100gr TST or TTSX at over to 3100. These 2 examples will harvest your elk or moose out to 350 yards. The 257 Roberts is pushing a 115gr Bullet at the same velocity as the 243 is pushing the 100gr.

Thereis also the fact that there is something magical with the 25 cal. I'm sure you'll be happy with the 243 Win. but with the 257 Roberts you'll wonder why you even considered the 243 at all. :)
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+P loads?! I didn't know there was such a thing.
--I can always rebarrel the gun in 6mmRem(2ssRem) as the 8x57 mauser is both of these rounds parent case.
-If I decide a 257 bob isn't my cal.
-It appears I may need to reconsider my options as a good quality used rifle package has landed in my lap so to speak. Well if I can find a 257bob load that won't liquefy a coyote than fine otherwise I may rebarrel it in 244Rem.
 
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ciphery said:
+P loads?! I didn't know there was such a thing.
--I can always rebarrel the gun in 6mmRem(2ssRem) as the 8x57 mauser is both of these rounds parent case.
-If I decide a 257 bob isn't my cal.
-It appears I may need to reconsider my options as a good quality used rifle package has landed in my lap so to speak. Well if I can find a 257bob load that won't liquefy a coyote than fine otherwise I may rebarrel it in 244Rem.
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If you can't find a 257 load to liquefy a coyote you ain't trying very hard. FS
 
Fassteel said:
Every single rifle is a barrel burner if you shoot it enough. FS
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Yes but you'll get 7000 rounds out of a 6.5x55 with mild loads but only 800 rounds out of a 300 Win Mag with a hot 220gr load.
In both case, there is no rifling left in the first 6" inches of the barrel!
http://www.norma.cc/en/Ammunition-Academy/Barrel-wear/

Target shooters often wonder why a rifle lost it's accuracy only to find out that the first 1-2" of rifling of their barrel is gone forever.

Alex
 
AlexF said:
Yes but you'll get 7000 rounds out of a 6.5x55 with mild loads but only 800 rounds out of a 300 Win Mag with a hot 220gr load.
In both case, there is no rifling left in the first 6" inches of the barrel!
http://www.norma.cc/en/Ammunition-Academy/Barrel-wear/

Target shooters often wonder why a rifle lost it's accuracy only to find out that the first 1-2" of rifling of their barrel is gone forever.

Alex
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Thanx for the back up
 
ciphery said:
I know this but a 243wssm gets 1000 round barrel life...pretty low numbers
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Hmmm, how do you know this? The 243wssm is almost identical to the 6mm rem in velocity and powder capacity. The wssm's came with chrome lined barrels as well and they where expected to have a 50% longer barrel life than comparable cartridges.

If someone burned a barrel out in 1000 rounds with a 243wssm, they must have been running lightweight bullets at high velocity without much cooling time!
 
I'm sure you can find a bullet in .257 cal that won't blow up a 'yote. A lot of serious 'yote shooters love the 25-06. I'm far from expert on the subject, but my thoughts are to use a monometal bullet like an 80 gr barnes ttsx or something. It shouldn't make holes too big out of a .257 bob I wouldn't think.
 
AlexF said:
Yes but you'll get 7000 rounds out of a 6.5x55 with mild loads but only 800 rounds out of a 300 Win Mag with a hot 220gr load.
In both case, there is no rifling left in the first 6" inches of the barrel!
http://www.norma.cc/en/Ammunition-Academy/Barrel-wear/

Target shooters often wonder why a rifle lost it's accuracy only to find out that the first 1-2" of rifling of their barrel is gone forever.

Alex
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So, if you load your cartridge down the barrel will last longer and if you load it hot it won't last as long. This is true with any cartridge, the more overbore the cartridge is the more noticeable it will be.
 
You will find 243 ammo at any small town gun store in Canada - not so much with the 25/06 and even less so with the 257 Roberts.

I would go with the 25/06 but that is because I like the 06 case....
 
I went through the same deliberations some years ago between 257R and 2506 and ultimately ended up choosing '06 since action lengths are the same anyways.

One thing to mention: muzzle blast. I've had several guys drop over at the range wondering what type of magnum I was shooting. A 22" barrel ain't quite long enough to burn that amount of powder in a quarter-bore. If I were to do it over again I'd look for ~25" barrel length.
 
shortaction said:
Hmmm, how do you know this? The 243wssm is almost identical to the 6mm rem in velocity and powder capacity. The wssm's came with chrome lined barrels as well and they where expected to have a 50% longer barrel life than comparable cartridges.

If someone burned a barrel out in 1000 rounds with a 243wssm, they must have been running lightweight bullets at high velocity without much cooling time!
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Its not always about capacity. The velocities obtained by the wssm surpasses the 6mm. Even with its chrome lining a 1000 rounds down the bore will greatly diminish its accuracy.
For starters I consulted my reloading manuals for this information.
 
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