German captured Mosin-nagant ???

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Hi CGN members.

I am sure that someone have the answer for my question.

We all know that the Russian during WW2 capture millions of K98 Mauser and after the war use prisoners to refurb them and finally sell all theses RC Mausers to little country small arme forces and some even reach us in North america.:D

I wonder wath happen with all the Mosin-Nagant 91/30 the Wehrmacht captured during WW2 ? I know that the German army capture millions of russian soldiers and their weapons during the first two years of the Eastern campain alone. Wath happen with theses weapons, are they been use by the Wehrmacht ?? is the german industries re-chambered them to recive the already widely use 7.92 x 57 cartridge ?? Does the german just scrap them because they are to proud to use others country weapons ??

Hope someone know wath happen with these millions of 91/30 and SVT's and others.
 
There is some WW1 German captured Mosin Nagant out there.
These are rare finds...

For WW2 captured M/N, Wiki talk just a little bit about those...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin–Nagant

I dare say they left the guns in 7.62x54.
You know, Germany also captured some SVT40's during WW2 and used them with the ammunitions that they have captured.

Here is a link of some Germans markings on M/N...
Scroll down a little bit...

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks03

Here is some pics of German soldiers shooting svt40's...

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Yes the Germans did capture many Russian arms.

Mosins were not deemed as good as the K98 and were held in reserve (some issued to the Volkstrum - Peoples Army) and many were captured or given to Finland.

SVT's if kept clean were deemed an excellent weapon (Prior to the issue of the G/K43 series) due to the rate of fire. The were used as captured, but many were restamped with a Reichs eagle and some even stamped with an Official German weapons designation (I believe 259R). The Finns alone captured over 15,000 SVT 40's during the conflict against Soviet Russia. The were left in the original chambering as when the rifles were available ammo was also available.

SS used the rifles quite often as they constantly had problems with weapons supply (looked down upon by the Wehrmacht) and they had "lesser" standards than the Wehrmacht as seen through the adoption of cammo uniforms etc. which many of the old army staff felt looked ragged.
 
Great info's guy's. :cheers:

Thanks Ben777 or ,,merci Benoît ??? great links and pictures.
It's seems like in one of your posted picture the SS soldiers have SVT-40, K98 and even a Gew 98 on the backgroung ???
If i see right, they are reduced to take pretty much anything that shoot at that time of the war.

I forgot about the Volksturm but it's very logic that they were issued with capture ( lower quality) weapons.
 
When I was in Dublin, at the Kilmanheim Gaol and National Museum at Collins Barracks, is says that the Germans gave the Irish some Mosin 91's captured during WWI to start their rebellion (Easter Rising in 1916) against the British to start a distraction from WWI. This was called 'Howth Gun Running'. Irish in boats met a U-Boat out in the Irish Sea and got the rifles.
 
The Bolt Action said:
Thanks Ben777 or ,,merci Benoît ??? great links and pictures.
It's seems like in one of your posted picture the SS soldiers have SVT-40, K98 and even a Gew 98 on the backgroung ???
If i see right, they are reduced to take pretty much anything that shoot at that time of the war.
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No problem T-B-A !!! Pas de troub !!! ;)

And i found those...
:eek: With M/N !!!

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mosinmaster said:
When I was in Dublin, at the Kilmanheim Gaol and National Museum at Collins Barracks, is says that the Germans gave the Irish some Mosin 91's captured during WWI to start their rebellion (Easter Rising in 1916) against the British to start a distraction from WWI. This was called 'Howth Gun Running'. Irish in boats met a U-Boat out in the Irish Sea and got the rifles.
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Possible...but this is what I have found...

The arms were sourced from Germany, 900 Mauser M1871 11 mm calibre single shot rifles and 29,000 rounds of its black powder ammunition[2]. The guns, dating from the Franco-Prussian War of 1870–71 but still functioning, are remembered in the song "My Old Howth Mauser", and were used in the GPO in the Easter Rising of 1916.
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The Ulster volunteers (protestant) also smuggled in weapons for themselves.

The unionists had mostly landed Gewehr 88s and M1870/87 Vetterli-Vitalis of the next generation of rifles, each with a magazine for rapid firing and smokeless powder ammunition in stripper clips for faster loading.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howth_gun-running
 
Could be, hard to tell without seeing the receiver. One has a straight bolt and the Gewehr 98ms usually kept theirs whereas the Kar98b had turned down bolts.

I would love to own a 1920s Simson made Kar98b...*drool*.
 
More pics...
Enjoy :yingyang:

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And finally, some mosin stuff...

Deltasilver said:
P&S militaria still has a German marked 91/30 for sale.
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The pic below and the rifle on the link is the same, its a German/Finnish M/N... THX Deltasilver !!!
Take a look at the link (top of the age ), description is short but very interesting... :rolleyes:
Honestly its identical to my finnish M91 but i got sling swivels instead of slots like this one...
My M91 is at bottom so you can compare...

http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/mosin.html

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I believe P&S Militaria's Mosin Nagant is not a Wehrmacht captured M91/30 but an Imperial German captured M91.

There is a thread here on a Latvian Police issued M91 or M91/30 which I believe were given to the Latvians after being captured by the Wehrmacht when they 'liberated' Latvia from the Soviets who 'liberated' Latvia from the Latvians. There is also a thread on a Wehrmacht captured M38 or M44 but the authenticity of this being 'Wehrmacht captured' is in dispute.

BTW is that an Estonian (or Czech) soldier with a Czech mauser at the beginning of the photos?
 
Nyet, nyet Soviet!

ben777lemay said:
Initially it was a soviet rifle :p
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An 1891 would have initially been a Russian rifle, not a Soviet one! After the October revolution they pretty much stopped making 1891 infantry rifles and concentrated on Dragoons.

I'd love to find a Finned Dragoon... Hell, I'd love to find an early 91/30 with the blade sight!
 
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