Crown Assets has 1788lbs oh 5.56 casings for sale

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So I saw on the Crown Assets site that they are selling a few pallets of uncrushed brass casings for $1k.

Too bad you aren't legally allowed to reload them:

http://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=wfsav&sc=enc-bid&scn=87246&lcn=231337&lct=L&srchtype=&lci=&str=1&ltnf=1&frmsr=1&sf=ferm-clos

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Not sure of the exact law, but I am sure it is related to the law that prevents them from selling the Hi-Power to us.

Plus, the optics of if these turned up in a crime, I'm sure.

(Not that I agree, but I can predict how they view it)
 
So now were criminals for reloading surplus brass? So much for reuse /recycle. And I thought I was being enviromentally concouis.
 
The funny thing is that there's absolutely no way they'd know. There's already lots of surplus brass out there already. Who's to say that MY IVI brass wasn't a crown asset auction at some point?

EDIT: The site only says that they must be disposed of in an environmentally friendly way and that they may contain hazards of an explosive nature. No export to the us. It does not state specifically where it says that they cannot be reloaded, only the little "reloading is against the law" thing.
 
Right on the page under paragraph B it states:
I understand the controls imposed on these assets remain in effect until they are totally destroyed by cutting, crushing, melting or other means that renders them unusable for their originally intended purpose(s).
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I acknowledge that my failure to adhere to these restrictions may result in criminal prosecution, fines and imprisonment.
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Pretty much says it all, scrap only.
 
Holy fluk!

Is this CADC brass going to be the replacement for the "Where do I buy Aquila .22 ammo?" questions?

First, the brass has to be rendered useless, thanks, in large part to signing a stupid UN treaty that doesn't accomplish anything useful... But, I digress...

The deal killer, though, is that the stuff sells for amounts that make buying brand new brass look pretty attractive, as can be seen in the Sold Items listings.
Dunno how the buyers make gas money, let alone profit.

Cheers
Trev
 
trevj said:
The deal killer, though, is that the stuff sells for amounts that make buying brand new brass look pretty attractive, as can be seen in the Sold Items listings.
Dunno how the buyers make gas money, let alone profit.
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I don't know about that. I looked at the sold items as well, and the lots of brass are going at slightly under the spot price for brass scrap metal. Not a lot of money to be made buying it for scrap, but there is some.

I don't know the price of new brass, but I am assuming it's over it's value as scrap; if not, I have a new business idea....
 
Silverback said:
Right on the page under paragraph B it states:

and

Pretty much says it all, scrap only.
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It just says the controls remain (export, environmental, must provide buyer with copy of same documentation and keep records). One of the controls IS NOT that it can't be used as rifle brass.
 
mwjones said:
It just says the controls remain (export, environmental, must provide buyer with copy of same documentation and keep records). One of the controls IS NOT that it can't be used as rifle brass.
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Actually it does and if you were used to reading miltary writing you would have understood the Clause 483.2 paragraphs, I suggest that you go back and read the additional comments which I pasted below:

Additional Comments: - The weight declared is approximate and is the net weight of all contents inside triwall
- Triwall (cardboard) weight and pallet weight are not included in the total weight indicated above
- Casings are sold for scrap only and reloading is prohibited by law
- Viewing and removal are by appointment only
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Right on the page under paragraph B it states:
Quote:
I understand the controls imposed on these assets remain in effect until they are totally destroyed by cutting, crushing, melting or other means that renders them unusable for their originally intended purpose(s).
and
Quote:
I acknowledge that my failure to adhere to these restrictions may result in criminal prosecution, fines and imprisonment.
Pretty much says it all, scrap only.



This is the kind of thing that sticks in my craw, so lets play devil's advocate. I don't interpret the condition of sale as being for scrap only.

The originally intended purpose of this ammunition was to:
A) fire a FMJ bullet from 5.56X45 FA weapon systems.
B) as a means to kill enemy combatants
C) to teach and train our soldiers how to kill enemy combatants and train them to do so.

Full auto weapons must have the primers crimped in place to allow reliable cycling. Once the primer crimp is "cut" away to allowing priming, the brass is no longer suitable for its original purpose and for all intents and purposes has been destroyed for that purpose. If the brass is resized to .223 Remington in dies marked .223 Remington and loaded with an expanding bullet or a match bullet that is to be used in a rifle marked .223 Remington, the condition of sale appears to have been satisfied. After all, the government has gone to great lengths to instruct us on the classification of weapons and their intended use. Therefore we know that a SAW and a Remington 700 Varmint serve completely different purposes. The handloaded .223 cartridge is not a reloaded 5.56X45 cartridge and neither the new specification nor the new intended purpose of these handloads is that of the original cartridge, whose originally intended purpose was provide a means to kill enemy combatants, or train towards that end where the new intended purpose is to humanely kill game animals or varmints and shoot targets in the context of sport.

Rant over.
 
Someone buy the dam things and then resell them as suddenly the price of scrap has made the venture worthless.
Anyone done the math on how many rounds there actually is?
There is enough brass there for all the recreation shooters or.223 err I mean 5.56x45 in the whole Province of Alberta .
Just adding fuel to the rants.
Rob
 
Boomer said:
This is the kind of thing that sticks in my craw, so lets play devil's advocate. I don't interpret the condition of sale as being for scrap only.

The originally intended purpose of this ammunition was to:
A) fire a FMJ bullet from 5.56X45 FA weapon systems.
B) as a means to kill enemy combatants
C) to teach and train our soldiers how to kill enemy combatants and train them to do so.

Full auto weapons must have the primers crimped in place to allow reliable cycling. Once the primer crimp is "cut" away to allowing priming, the brass is no longer suitable for its original purpose and for all intents and purposes has been destroyed for that purpose. If the brass is resized to .223 Remington in dies marked .223 Remington and loaded with an expanding bullet or a match bullet that is to be used in a rifle marked .223 Remington, the condition of sale appears to have been satisfied. After all, the government has gone to great lengths to instruct us on the classification of weapons and their intended use. Therefore we know that a SAW and a Remington 700 Varmint serve completely different purposes. The handloaded .223 cartridge is not a reloaded 5.56X45 cartridge and neither the new specification nor the new intended purpose of these handloads is that of the original cartridge, whose originally intended purpose was provide a means to kill enemy combatants, or train towards that end where the new intended purpose is to humanely kill game animals or varmints and shoot targets in the context of sport.

Rant over.
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Rant all you want, buy the scrap and reload it, enjoy your fines and/or prison time.

You would think that the statement: "- Casings are sold for scrap only and reloading is prohibited by law" might mean something to you or is english not your first language.:confused:
 
Silverback said:
You would think that the statement: "- Casings are sold for scrap only and reloading is prohibited by law" might mean something to you or is english not your first language.:confused:
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I think what we were looking for was a reference to the actual law as written. I can tell you all kinds of things are against the law, and you might believe it. For example, i could say...hmm....it's against the law to paint your car green (ok from factory, but not re paint). You probably wouldn't believe it unless i could show you the actual written law proving that it's true.
 
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