M1 Garand Rust from a friends newly aquired...

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So, my friend stripped down his newly aquired garand today (he paid *significantly* less than the usual 1k asking prices) and this is likely why.

He'd like the opinion of the Milsurp community on his options with this firearm.

Also noted:

The barrel is pitted.
The op rod is rusted too.


He wants to know the cost to fix this (ie: new barrel, new receiver, new op rod).

Any insight I can pass along to him?
 
I apologize for not having any useful information to pass on, but I did want to offer my condolences. Someone abused that old lady terribly, and I hope all can be made well again somehow.
 
Wow, Was this not posted on the Ad? That corrosion is pretty deep and may affect the bullet guide big time.

Good side: It can be fixed = $$$. The pits can be welded with out damaging the tempering / harding but for the sake of doing it right, get the action re-hardened after the welding.

Based on the few picts you have posted, I would say a full job is need on the receiver.

A pitted bore can still shoot well, but if it has been treated like the actions, it may be toast. The actions has orange rust which means it has no oil on it and that = neglect.

Few questions, is this a Danish garand or a mix master of parts? Post some more picts.
 
Quick guestimate:
New barrel, approx $350 - well used, about $100
Used receiver (Breda) approx $60
Newish op rod approx $160 - well used, about $90
Labour to install barrel and finish ream chamber (if need be) extra...
Looks like rust on the follower too (20) and I imagine that the bullet guide is fairly corroded too (10).
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It's not a danish, but I'm not sure of the origin. I think it's a mix-n-match.

Thanks for the replies so far. He bought the rifle from a friend for a discounted price, but yes - this rust / corrosion issue is unexpected.

I'll ask him for more pictures if he can get em.
 
robin2y said:
Quick guestimate:
New barrel, approx $350 - well used, about $100
Used receiver (Breda) approx $60
Newish op rod approx $160 - well used, about $90
Labour to install barrel and finish ream chamber (if need be) extra...
Looks like rust on the follower too (20) and I imagine that the bullet guide is fairly corroded too (10).
R
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I think the above COULD be possible, but you would need to be extremely lucky.
 
Pblatzz said:
Wow, Was this not posted on the Ad? That corrosion is pretty deep and may affect the bullet guide big time.

Good side: It can be fixed = $$$. The pits can be welded with out damaging the tempering / harding but for the sake of doing it right, get the action re-hardened after the welding.

Based on the few picts you have posted, I would say a full job is need on the receiver.

A pitted bore can still shoot well, but if it has been treated like the actions, it may be toast. The actions has orange rust which means it has no oil on it and that = neglect.

Few questions, is this a Danish garand or a mix master of parts? Post some more picts.
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X2, plus the following.

A typical rule of thumb is that you get what you pay for....

good luck finding a receiver for $60 unless again it is toasted,,,,,,

If it was bought on CGN, you know what you can do, if misrepresented.

Ultimately, your friend should get reimbursed, and then buy the right piece first time on.

Not a bad idea either to check the seller trading record......

life is a learning process.

BB
 
Lever has receiver and follower assy in stock and Tradex may still have some smaller parts too. I believe a Milsurp regular has had the NOS mid fifties SA barrels on EE periodically, perhaps as recently as week or so ago? And might have been getting more in soon? I've purchased op rods within the past year...
Keep an eye on Milsurp EE!
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Light Infantry said:
I think the above COULD be possible, but you would need to be extremely lucky.
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You might as well buy another Garand when you consider all the trouble and parts involved to pretty much replace all major parts...

If the gun can shoot and operate correctly, then what is the harm in just cleaning off the rust and treating it like a shooter.
 
The seats for the bullet guide are quite badly corroded and this may affect function. With that amount of corrosion/pitting in evidence I'd check a few other critical areas of the receiver for condition incl the inside rear of the receiver, the rear bridge which engages the tail of the firing pin, the groove that the tab of the op rod runs in and the receiver face around the barrel.

A few other high wear parts that need to be checked are the op rod spring, firing pin, bullet guide, op rod catch, clip latch, rear sight operation for slippage, gas cylinder, diameter of the op rod piston, and also the op rod for non-binding movement. A headspace check would be a good idea too.

If these areas are all sound and you can get hold of a used barrel it might be an OK shooter, ugly, but OK. Receiver restorations involve annealing, TIG welding, and a lot of hand filing/polishing and re-heat treating followed by parkerizing-an expensive proposition. Vulcan does an excellent job of this and is the only source that I'd recommend. Rather than dump a bunch of gold on this I'd get a sound Breda receiver from Lever and spend some coin on other required parts.
 
That suuuuuucks.
If the bore isnt toast, Id brass wool that rust off, check it over throughly, and oil the hell out if it and shoot it. With the price of nice garands these days, Id bet less are being shot regularily and hunted with and you have a perfect one for that.
 
Sad condition, any receiver is repairable as long you have the cash to do it. Nick and I have restored a ton of garands including rusted receivers.

In my opinion I would either use it as a shooter or save the good parts and build up a new one from the ashes.

You can get Italian receivers for around 60.00 in Canada. the rest of the parts you can pick up along the way.

Looking at the receiver in the pics, the pitting is really deep on the receiver legs and along the under edge where it meets the wood.

Good luck, if you have any questions PM me as I have restored/rescued a quite a few recently.
 
Boom-Boom said:
X2, plus the following.

A typical rule of thumb is that you get what you pay for....

good luck finding a receiver for $60 unless again it is toasted,,,,,,

If it was bought on CGN, you know what you can do, if misrepresented.

Ultimately, your friend should get reimbursed, and then buy the right piece first time on.

Not a bad idea either to check the seller trading record......

life is a learning process.

BB
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Marstar had Breda receivers on for that not too long ago. I'm sure there are still some around.
 
You bet, I will give him an honest appraisal. We have rescued many rough receivers. Also there may be some collectible parts on it that can be saved for a rebuild.

Cheers
 
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