ACR for the money should be a much better rifle. No boubt NR status is helping sell them just like the XCR but I would much sooner spend the extra money and buy a really good AR. For all that people knock the AR nobody has replaced it in over 40 years and for it's drawbacks the direct gas inpingement has it's advantages as well.
What is the worst black rifle on the market? (*Prize*)
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Have you shouldered and fired one with an optic (especially an ACOG or Lucid type)? Taken it down and reassembled it quickly? If you had, I'm quite certain you wouldn't be defending it quite as passionately.
And I never once said it was ugly. Unholy aberration yes, but not ugly.
It's really not so "horrible" with an optic on it....
...I have a simple 3-9x scope atop see-through extra-high rings on mine, and while I cannot "co-witness" with the sights 
, I can very easily and comfortably "transition" (oh, look at me , using the "go-fast" cool operator words ! 
) from the irons to the scope & back again (and at a 3x setting o nthe scope, it's all good).Plus, as much as I like the SU-16 (it's fun and "nifty" - when did so many here become curmudgeons ? ) , the MR-1's "pencil barrel" will definitely produce better/more accurate results....
Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone !
Oh, and if I can do a "takedown" of the MR-1, anyone can - really, anyone can ! It's far more a question of "(upper) body strength" and knowing what and where and when to push, than it is about anything else...kind of like***, come to think of it....
blaxsun
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mini-14 they pattern, not group.
Disassembly is easy, pull the trigger group out, then the action. When the op rod spring guide embeds itself in your chest or face, due to both the sharpened end and the lack of a retained retaining pin, you know you are well on your way to being able to clean the rifle.
Disassembly is easy, pull the trigger group out, then the action. When the op rod spring guide embeds itself in your chest or face, due to both the sharpened end and the lack of a retained retaining pin, you know you are well on your way to being able to clean the rifle.
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Lol yes i voted for the overpriced su16, at US prices its a smokin deal .. not saying its a bad rifle just not as good as the others , well it could be better than the old pencil barrel mini14 made from Japanese ww2 shipwreck steel. The MR1 is third worst in my view ..
blaxsun
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I have to assume there's a real element of truth to all these Mini-14 barbs. Maybe we should put it on the sacrificial alter after all...
I've been LMAO all morning with these! Oh, and you five XCR owners - we all know how you voted...
"Why is the XCR on this list?!"
After years of private shame dealing with his small #####, something snapped in Bill Ruger, with him saying "If I can't have anything big that works right, no one will" and focused his hate at his very love - the gun industry.
Like a serial killer, he experimented at first. Deep in the bowls of the research facility, while Ruger laughed maniacally to flashing electrical sparks, Alexander Sturm threw the switch on the mill, as what would become the Bearcat .22 was hewn from tiny hunks of cold metal.
The Ruger Hawkeye was the next incremental step into madness, as it was to have a 1/2" barrel in addition to its single shot strangeness.
Unfortunately, a mistake by Sturm in ordering an actual usable 6" barrel length enraged Ruger to the point he killed Sturm, notably carving enormous warning statements, again and again, all over poor Alexander's body.
But then, his masterpiece.
Reading an old issue of American Rifleman one day, he looked at their review of the M14, and then down at his mushroom capped insignificant manhood with "pray 'n spray" accuracy, erratic function, misshapen form,...
...and the MINI-14 was born!
Like a serial killer, he experimented at first. Deep in the bowls of the research facility, while Ruger laughed maniacally to flashing electrical sparks, Alexander Sturm threw the switch on the mill, as what would become the Bearcat .22 was hewn from tiny hunks of cold metal.
The Ruger Hawkeye was the next incremental step into madness, as it was to have a 1/2" barrel in addition to its single shot strangeness.
Unfortunately, a mistake by Sturm in ordering an actual usable 6" barrel length enraged Ruger to the point he killed Sturm, notably carving enormous warning statements, again and again, all over poor Alexander's body.
But then, his masterpiece.
Reading an old issue of American Rifleman one day, he looked at their review of the M14, and then down at his mushroom capped insignificant manhood with "pray 'n spray" accuracy, erratic function, misshapen form,...
...and the MINI-14 was born!
blaxsun
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I can't believe the ACR has 7 votes! I don't even think there are that many in Canada!
(there must be a hidden "vote ACR" thread going on with XCR owners somewhere... this is payback for all those 'loctite' comments, isn't it? )Not to ruffle any feathers on this board but I honestly take everyones "advice" with a grain of salt. Certain things can be counted on but when it comes to listening to opinions of a rifle, 1/3 third will hate, 1/3 will think it's ok and 1/3 will swear by it.
I've heard guy rave about the new 580 Mini so if that's the one that floats your boat, I sudgest you try it out. The best way to form an opinion of your own is to try it.
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Nope. But lots of people want it to be...
I can't believe the ACR has 7 votes! I don't even think there are that many in Canada!
you probably think this poll is about you
I only own two rifles on that list, They both worked like a charm, so I am staying out this vote, BUT if this poll was " the worst rifle on the market, that I have read on the Internet Forums" than, than hands down it would be the Mini 14, followed XCR than the ACR
I am on my second Mini-14. The first one was a 580 from before they widened the barrel. I shot 4" groups at 100 yards. The new 581 I have soots 2" at 100 yards. I believe it would be ever better if the trigger was smooth but otherwise, it shoots well enough for what it is and it's very reliable. I won't be selling it any time soon. The most valuable attribute about the Mini-14 is being non-restricted which makes it better than half of the rifles on the list as far as I'm concerned. I have little use for a rifle that can only be used at the range.
It's only taking a beating because people haven't picked up and looked over the MR1 yet. Sadly the ergonomics on the mini14 (not a true black rifle by the way) are better than the MR1.
It also seems that people haven't heard of the Mini14 target. They shoot as well or better than my Swiss Arms PE-90. American made Stainless, non restricted semi auto for $1000. Trigger was crap but it's good after $40 worth of gunsmith work.
The MR1 actually received my vote although the Su-16 was in second place.
The MR1 put in perspective:
Ahh yes the MR1 rifle: Oh hey look I'm a bigger CX4 storm, I'm cool. The MR1 is like a $5 hooker. The idea sounds good on paper. Practical, not as expensive as other options and all whored up from the get go. In reality when you get closer it doesn't seem like such a good idea. It's often a case of good from far but far from good. Up close it's not an attractive option. The MR1 is the same. It's less expensive, looks dressed up but gets ugly real fast. The only thing the MR1 is missing is a free STD. For those of you who say "but it shoots". That $5 hooker probably knows what she's doing too. Doesn't mean any of your friends will be complementing you on your choice.
I should also add that the mini14 target with 70 grain target ammo could match or possibly beat the MR1 results we're seeing. There used to be a thread a few years back on these rifles. Oh and I've had just under 1 moa groups using 62 grain American Eagle at 100 yards using a PE-90 with 6.5-20x scope (target version). I suspect that can shrink a bit when I get the target trigger springs installed. That's without handloading. So the MR1 shoots. But so do the others. Including the cheaper mini14 target version.
