Tracers are for the military .Us gun loving civilians have no need for those nasty killing things. Conform and obey.Canola another great GM food,maybe someone will modify castor beans into a new bug resistant edible product soon
Tracers projectiles and their effect on barrels??
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mmmmmmm... can someone pass the ricin?
Yup, just like old toxic rapeseed oil into tasty canola.
Powder used has a significant effect on ignitability of tracers - even powders very similar in burn rate on multiple lists can result in significant differences in igniting success. As stated by someone earlier, don't expect red tracers to ignite in the first 100 to 200m. US military load data for 50bmg will show that a different powder (IMR 5010) is used for pure tracer rounds as compared to other types of rounds (usually WC860).
Rapeseed #1 oil is a light and healthy choice. The Japanese have known this for many years. Crushed seeds are excellent animal feed as well.
Rapeseed #1 oil is a light and healthy choice. The Japanese have known this for many years. Crushed seeds are excellent animal feed as well.
Canola is actually a weed which insects shy away from. A starving coyote will not lick canola margarin and neither will flies eat it, unlike olive oil which coyotes and flies both love. Think about it. Canola oil can be used as a gun lubricant as it won't gum up like olive oil and it's great to use as a cleaner in your barrel after firing tracer rounds. Finally the PhD comes in handy. Phew thought I'd never get to put it to use. It also works great as a hydraulic fluid especially in environmentally sensitive areas where hydraulic leaks can be harmful to the environment...offshore rigs for example.
I'm not going to get into the benefits of consuming a great product like Canola oil on the Precision rifle forum. But, since you're way off topic and instigated this derailment who really gives two f*cks what you prefer to consume. Keep on crunching that granola and stuffing your face with tofu while breathing that fresh Surrey air. Looks like you're going to live a long and healthy life as a troll.....
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Uh-ohh.....somebody done pi$$ed off the Armorman.....
What would be "more natural"......?
What would be "more natural"......?
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Tracers have absolutely no effect on barrel life. Most military tracers dont light up until ~100m after they leave the barrel. The tracing compound inside the bullet is sealed off by a copper plug, so none of it contacts the barrel either.
Some tracers might be loaded with hotter powders from the factory, which i suppose will increase the barrel wear (very slightly), but its not the effect of the actual bullet.
Some tracers might be loaded with hotter powders from the factory, which i suppose will increase the barrel wear (very slightly), but its not the effect of the actual bullet.
Farmer Harv
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I'm betting the answer will have the words "genetically" and "modified" in it.
Even though everything alive on the planet is, was and will be genetically modified. Always. And forever.Unlike tracer ammo of course, which is modified also, just not at the genetic level. How's that for staying on topic?
All military grade trace lights at muzzle or further out...none are "lit" inside the barrel.
Some of the better military trace won't even light up in the first 50-100m, so that your position is more concealed while you pepper the enemy position. Trace used badly is a major liability in combat sometimes...attracting far more bullets than the machinegun is pumping out!!
Same oil as for bear defense!!
Brutus
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I'm curious how far a 50BMG tracer will fly?
Otokiak
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CANADA
p.s. for healthy reasons I think I'll switch from the Olive Oil to the Canola ...
My COTW says for 50 BMG M1 tracer, visible from 250-1600 yards. Unfortuneately there is no mention of maximum range.
When used innapropriately, both tracers and canola oil are capable of causing fires resulting in property damage, injury and even death. There ought to be a warning label.
One thing to consider about tracers, is that the bullets are usually much longer than the equivalent projectile in a ball cartridge. Thats why the military 5.56 barrels have such a fast twist - 1:7 - to stabilize the longer bullet. I think this is also part of the reason for the long throats on the 5.56 NATO chambers.
BTW,
If tracer ignition does not happen in the barrel, why does the powder charge behind it matter? How are they lit?
rnbra-shooter
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max range for tracer will be very close to the same as max range for ball.
My 30 cal tracers don't ignite until 150 to 200 yards, I don't think there is any ignition in the barrel. I have noticed that tracers are sensitive to pressure, not enoungh and it never ignites. All my loads with them have to be on the upper hot side of the load to get reliable ignition.
I prefer the taste of olive oil to canola personally. We don't go through a lot of cooking oils here as a rule but when we do use oil I grab the extra virgin olive oil.
From my reading on the subject I understand that olive oil is the richest source of mono-unsaturated fats of all the cooking oils but canola has the Omega-3s.... in the end they both appear to be quite healthy
I prefer the taste of olive oil to canola personally. We don't go through a lot of cooking oils here as a rule but when we do use oil I grab the extra virgin olive oil.
From my reading on the subject I understand that olive oil is the richest source of mono-unsaturated fats of all the cooking oils but canola has the Omega-3s.... in the end they both appear to be quite healthy
This is a snippet from NRCAN - Cartridges, Classification and Authorization, General and Detailed Requirements for Type C Explosives
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1.3 Regulation of Use
ERD does not regulate the use of cartridges. The use of small arms cartridges is controlled by law enforcement agencies under the Criminal Code. However, as part of the approval and testing process by the Explosives Safety and Security Branch, ERD does request information to ensure that the item can be safely used as recommended by the manufacturer, e.g., company product information and technical data.
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Tracers are not illegal and are not in the prohibited ammunitions list.
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1.3 Regulation of Use
ERD does not regulate the use of cartridges. The use of small arms cartridges is controlled by law enforcement agencies under the Criminal Code. However, as part of the approval and testing process by the Explosives Safety and Security Branch, ERD does request information to ensure that the item can be safely used as recommended by the manufacturer, e.g., company product information and technical data.
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Tracers are not illegal and are not in the prohibited ammunitions list.
You will need to dig deeper than that my friend.
I did..
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-462/latest/sor-98-462.html
Snippet from SOR/98-462:
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PART 5
PROHIBITED AMMUNITION
Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 10
1. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a commonly available semi-automatic handgun or revolver and that is manufactured or assembled with a projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to be capable of penetrating body armour, including KTW, THV and 5.7 x 28 mm P-90 cartridges.
2. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered to ignite on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
3. Any projectile that is designed, manufactured or altered so as to explode on impact, where the projectile is designed for use in or in conjunction with a cartridge and does not exceed 15 mm in diameter.
4. Any cartridge that is capable of being discharged from a shotgun and that contains projectiles known as “fléchettes” or any similar projectiles.
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If you can find any article in the criminal code or in the firearms act that you can be prosecuted under I would be appreciative. I personally am not a fan of the laws but choose to follow.
