CF APC's to be scrapped
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Jwirecom109
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that sucks i could use one for driving in rush hour 
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- On the beach
These would be the M113's. Not exactly front line stuff anyway (unless they have been upgraded to TLAVs.).
Jwirecom109
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- Rural Alberta
I'd buy it
Most likely the hulls are cracking and they will be taking the parts to keep the others running. Some of these vehicle were likely part of the fleet bought in 1960's. There is a program to replace them with a modern APC/IFV, but it is currently stalled. M113 based vehicles offer great internal volume,but not such great IED/mine protection.
I am pretty sure that the fleet of TLAV will be around for years
For the old one, no much use left
The M113s have certainly given long and honourable service. I remember when the first ones arrived at the Armoured Corps School in Borden in 1965. They are an excellent vehicle from an automotive aspect and have been rebuilt from the hull up many times over the past 45 yrs.
They offered great mobility and a measure of protection against arty/mortar fragmentation, but were never intended as a fighting vehicle. The concept was basically an armoured taxi which would get the infantry across shell/bullet swept ground and onto the objective as quickly as possible. I remember seeing them reamed out like a tomato can after the Yom Kippur War and that served as a vivid illustration of their limitations.
They offered great mobility and a measure of protection against arty/mortar fragmentation, but were never intended as a fighting vehicle. The concept was basically an armoured taxi which would get the infantry across shell/bullet swept ground and onto the objective as quickly as possible. I remember seeing them reamed out like a tomato can after the Yom Kippur War and that served as a vivid illustration of their limitations.
I Remember using a M575 as a target in Yakima, we set the fuze on our 105mm HE to delay, it punched through the side of the APC and then exploded, ripped it apart and that is a vehicle with no fuel, oil or ammo aboard. The M113 was a great leap forward from our 3/4 ton trucks, just reading "War without battles" which covers this period and the transition to APC's.
Lots of chatter about this and my pics from awhile ago here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676570
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676570
They were fantastic for what they were and for when they were. As said befor, they were armoured taxies. A 50 cal could rip through them like soft cheese. I had my own when I was in Germany set up as a work shop. Lots of fun and If I won a lottery I would like to own one for the hell of it.
We bought 1,300 or so M-113A1s in the mid sixties, then 176 M-113 1/2 Lynx in 1967. To that we added a few hundred 6X6 Grizzlies in the seventies, then replaced the Lynx with 203 Coyotes in the mid nineties. We then bought over 650 LAV 3s, relegating the Grizzlies to 'gun tractor' duties with the Artillery before gifting them to the African Union for peacekeeping. We have since upgraded our LAV 3 fleet (ongoing) and modernized some of the 113 fleet, to include rubber tracks, new drive trains and power packs, adding the Grizzly turrets and 'stretching' some. We are also looking at purchasing a 'heavy' APC to accompany our Leopard 2 based Battle Groups. We have nine infantry battalions in our army. In 1965 we had fifteen. We don't need 1300 M-113s any more.
It does, however, remain our most suitable AFV for Arctic ops due to its low ground pressure.
It does, however, remain our most suitable AFV for Arctic ops due to its low ground pressure.
North Eastern Arms
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Brings back some memories. My first year and a half in the military I drove a M113. Had the only one in the battalion that had one of the originals that didn't even have the suspension upgrade. We ended up selling ours to Israel.
