6" open guns?

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Hey guys, I've tried to find some info on anyone shooting a 6 inch compensated open gun in IPSC with little success. Is there a reason why there seems to be no one who has considered this? Is a 5 inch more than enough when it comes to accuracy and recoil reduction? I have been considering getting a SVI build in 9 major with a 6 inch compensated barrel with full length dust cover with a slide ride optic, probably a trijicon RMR. Your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
QuietWhisper said:
Hey guys, I've tried to find some info on anyone shooting a 6 inch compensated open gun in IPSC with little success. Is there a reason why there seems to be no one who has considered this? Is a 5 inch more than enough when it comes to accuracy and recoil reduction? I have been considering getting a SVI build in 9 major with a 6 inch compensated barrel with full length dust cover with a slide ride optic, probably a trijicon RMR. Your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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9mm major is a little tough on brass. I would look at 38 Super. Yes, brass is more $$$$ and a bit tougher to get, but you will get more than 2 reloads out of it.
YMMV
 
Got Juice? said:
9mm major is a little tough on brass. I would look at 38 Super. Yes, brass is more $$$$ and a bit tougher to get, but you will get more than 2 reloads out of it.
YMMV
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Well with 9mm brass so readily available Im not overly concerned with brass life. I really like the option of not having to pick up brass if I don't want. Thanks for your input!
 
I have a 5 inch Bedell in 9 Major with a slide ride Docter Mount (rebuilt and installed by Bevan Graham)

I did a test and reloaded some brass a total of 3 times...and saw no issues with the case or the primer pockets (I use small pistol primers)

That said...I don't pick up the brass...

I get some back at the indoor practice matches...but with 9 mm...once it hits the ground...I leave it there.



QuietWhisper said:
Well with 9mm brass so readily available Im not overly concerned with brass life. I really like the option of not having to pick up brass if I don't want. Thanks for your input!
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QuietWhisper said:
Hey guys, I've tried to find some info on anyone shooting a 6 inch compensated open gun in IPSC with little success. Is there a reason why there seems to be no one who has considered this? Is a 5 inch more than enough when it comes to accuracy and recoil reduction? I have been considering getting a SVI build in 9 major with a 6 inch compensated barrel with full length dust cover with a slide ride optic, probably a trijicon RMR. Your opinions and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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You're going to end up with a VERY muzzle heavy (and sluggish) gun, unless you machine a crap load of weight out of the slide and run a Ti comp....at which point a 5" slide gun would have been just fine. Most modern Open guns are running shortened slides, 4.5" to 4.75" and 5" to 5.25" barrels, older designs run 5.5" barrels on 5" slides. These are a little softer to shoot but a bit heavier. To run a 6" slide you'd need a 6.5" barrel which would be a custom order....and more expense, and then time to get it running right. It would be an uphill battle for no gain.
 
are you thinking about something like this?:

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Here's a pic of my gun just after Bedell finished building it (STI frame and slide). Note the Docter Site has a cover on it in this pic.

It's a very light gun...and the height of the dot is about equal to the front site on an iron sited pistol.

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I don't mean to hijack.....but just as a reference....what are the pro's qnd cons between a slide mounted optic vs a side mounted optic. Thinking in the future about open division. If op wants, I can start a different thread.

Thanks
 
With the dot as low as it is on my pistol...I can see the dot, the end of the comp and the target all in the same visual frame.

The design of the Docter, and the way it's melted into the slide...also means there is no portion of the optic (inc. top and sides) interfering with my field of view.

I tried a C-More and hated it...but I'm sure if I'd given it some additional time I would have gotten used to the height of the dot (they call it a heads up display for a reason)

If you plan on ever shooting in Open and another division (or ever use iron sights on any pistol) the transition back and forth will be easier because the height of the dot vs height of iron sights is comparable.

Remind me next time I see you on the range and you can give it a try.

7.62mm said:
I don't mean to hijack.....but just as a reference....what are the pro's qnd cons between a slide mounted optic vs a side mounted optic. Thinking in the future about open division. If op wants, I can start a different thread.

Thanks
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PH Racing said:
You're going to end up with a VERY muzzle heavy (and sluggish) gun, unless you machine a crap load of weight out of the slide and run a Ti comp....at which point a 5" slide gun would have been just fine. Most modern Open guns are running shortened slides, 4.5" to 4.75" and 5" to 5.25" barrels, older designs run 5.5" barrels on 5" slides. These are a little softer to shoot but a bit heavier. To run a 6" slide you'd need a 6.5" barrel which would be a custom order....and more expense, and then time to get it running right. It would be an uphill battle for no gain.
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Also the mass of that gun will make transitioning from target to target slower. You will notice most of the top guys are using shorter open guns now a days.

As for 9mm major once we worked up a load (and stuck with it) we have never had a problem. Brass life is not a issue most matches you don't get it back anyways

As for slide mounted vrs frame mounted sights. It personal preference. Doctor sites (and the clones) let you hold your pistol just like you would if you have iron sites. A nice thing if you also shoot Standard or Production. The down side is they do get beaten up. Ours failed in the middle of the match and we replaced it with one form Doctor USA (the rebuild them to take the abuse)

Frame mounted sites are not pounded as hard but they do fail too. The advantage of them is by not being attached to the slide they stay put while you shoot so you can index between targets a little faster. The down side you don't hold the gun naturally. You'll find your self holding it a little lower than normal or holding your head higher. It takes a little while for you to get use to it, but once you are it not a problem.
 
I can agree with Quigley on the fact that a frame mount can cause you to hold a little lower. I notice it now when given a steel sighted pistol that i draw it up to target and am holding low. Did try the slide ride, didn't like it. maybe a bit to used to a frame mounted cmore now.
OP, for the amount of money your about to spend just make sure you pick what you really want. Then fly at it.
 
john simmons said:
I can agree with Quigley on the fact that a frame mount can cause you to hold a little lower. I notice it now when given a steel sighted pistol that i draw it up to target and am holding low. Did try the slide ride, didn't like it. maybe a bit to used to a frame mounted cmore now.
OP, for the amount of money your about to spend just make sure you pick what you really want. Then fly at it.
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I find that at first but two or three dry draws and I'm right on the money with my iron sight gun, takes me no time at all to switch.
 
6" of barrel then a comp? thats going to be a 7-7.5" gun. going to have to hack the hell out of the frame and slide aswell as flute the barrel to get the weight down. If it was worth the effort to get it running the big boys would have done it by now.
 
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