What are these German clips and brass for?

[flying pig]

Not sure what these German clips and casings are for and thought I'd see if anyone here can help. I haven't been around German arms much...
None of the markings appear to have been altered so kinda interested to see what I found.

 

[Brutus]

I shall take a guess and say 8x56mmR Austrian. The M95 rifle?

 

[tiriaq]

I shall take a guess and say 8x56mmR Austrian. The M95 rifle?

Yes.

 

[svt1940]

Not sure what these German clips and casings are for and thought I'd see if anyone here can help. I haven't been around German arms much...
None of the markings appear to have been altered so kinda interested to see what I found.

Theses are for austrian M95 rifle and carbines, 8x56R mm
Jocelyn

 

[Nabs]

I shall take a guess and say 8x56mmR Austrian. The M95 rifle?

x2.

 

[Dr van Nostran]

I just think it's amazing that after they got all that stuff after Anschluss, they went to the trouble of stamping Waffenamts on everything.

Or was it made after Anschluss?

Ok Steyr Mannlicher gurus, inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Rifleman1984]

I picked up two 10 round boxes of that same 8x56R on clips from a gunshow. I paid $10 per box. Also dated 1938.

 

[smellie]

Check it again; it isn't a Waffenamt stamp. It is the new National Symbol: eagle with swastika. Pre-Anschluss ammo did not have this symbol.

Ammo fits the 95 Mannlicher as altered to 8x56R30M, Austrian, Hungarian and Bulgarian and possibly others. Chambers bear a half-inch letter "S" for identification purposes. Chambers without the "S" likely still are in the original 8x50R.

CLIPS fit the 95 rifle, 90 Carbine, 95 Stutzer, 95 Carbine, 88, 88/90 and can work with 1886 rifles, all von Mannlicher straight-pulls.

Hope this helps.
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[kjohn]

Some years ago, we bought a crate or two of this stuff. Of course, like little boys will be, we dug through the ammo. It was interesting to note that the ammo was of several different dates, and all mixed up in the clips. As the dates progressed, the Nazi chicken started showing up on the head stamp, telling of dire things.

A few years back, I sent some fired brass to a fellow in England who used one of the old rifles in shooting contests. As a returned favour, he sent me a stamp album that his deceased sister had owned.

That ammo is pretty potent. We cranked a few rounds out of those short little carbines! Lots of boom!

 

[y2k]

I need that caliber of ammo for my 95 Carbine.

 

[Dosing]

I just think it's amazing that after they got all that stuff after Anschluss, they went to the trouble of stamping Waffenamts on everything.

Or was it made after Anschluss?

Ok Steyr Mannlicher gurus, inquiring minds want to know.

The 'Nazi' logo shows up after the Anschulss, prior to that it was the old Austrian eagle, and you will find the same transformation on the ammunition boxes as well.

 

[smellie]

Folks with the Mannlichers today will want better ammo. This stuff was loud, kicked like a mule and was violently corrosive. The Bulgarian stuff semed more corrosive than anything else I have run into.

You can get fresh, Boxer-primed BRASS from Anthony at Trade-Ex. He also has bullets (this monster uses a .329"-209gr slug). DIES are now in production from both RCBS nd Lee Precision, the Lee dies being far the less expensive.

We are told that factory ammo from the nice folks at PRVI PARTIZAN will be available some time in 2012.... just in time for the End of the World when the Long Count returns to 0.0.0.0. Oooooooooo, I'm scared! Hope it holds off long enough so that I can get a couple of boxes!

For a Stutzer, I would suggest staying with one of the quicker powders, something at the 3031 or 4895 end of the scale. Leave the 4350 and 4831 for the long rifles with the 31-inch tubes.

For CLIPS, try the EE. To keep control of your clips (which fall out of the rifle as you chamber the last round) try a strip of masking tape across the clip ejection port in the bottom of the magazine. MUCH cheaper than new clips, believe me!

Hope this helps.
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[Blastattack]

Wait, so those things are just like the Garand en-bloc clips? Cool, didn't know of any other rifle that loaded in such a way, much less a bolt-action rifle.

 

[smellie]

Virtually ALL the many, many Mannlichers loaded with these clips:
Austrian Model 1886, 1888, 1888/90, 1895 et seq.
Italian Model 1891 et seq, also reworked 1870/87 rifles
Dutch Mannlicher 93
Rumanian Mannlicher 92,
many others. Just about the only Mannlicher that DIDN'T use the things was the Greek 1903, which had the Schoenauer rotary magazine.

For the record, Garand had those silly clips forced on him by the Board of Ordnance; he wanted to build the thing with 15- or 20-round dropout mags but nobody would listen. The so-called Garand clip is moded from a Pederson design. Pederson stole it from von Mannlicher, who was trying to figure out a faster way to load a LEE magzine. Mauser and Mannlicher both stole Lee's box magazine, although Lee himself kept it detachable: the magazine which the whole world uses today.
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