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http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=46§ion=products
New 223 precision rifle. Any thaughts?
- Thread starter sksavenger
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I have seen too many problems with Mossberg products in the last couple of years to have any confidence in them. One of our club members had a Silver Reserve shotgun double fire while shooting skeet, and round fire out of battery in his new Mossberg Tactical 22lr,within a week of each other. With the 22lr, the case ruptured damaging the magazine, and leaving the bullet stuck in the bore. Less than a year ago, I saw the bolt come apart on a Mossberg Night Train rifle.
Mystic Precision
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9 twist usually suggests heavier 75gr bullets for longer distance shots.
AR mags mean lighter bullets to fit best so really, you have a SR mag system trying to appeal to LR shooters.
If they had any sense, they would have made it compatible with AI mags.
But then how many who design guns, actually shoot them?
Now if the factory mags are cheap and well made, I am sure they will sell many to AR shooters in Canada.
Jerry
AR mags mean lighter bullets to fit best so really, you have a SR mag system trying to appeal to LR shooters.
If they had any sense, they would have made it compatible with AI mags.
But then how many who design guns, actually shoot them?
Now if the factory mags are cheap and well made, I am sure they will sell many to AR shooters in Canada.
Jerry
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Rem bolt handle and safety, looks like Savage bolthead, accutrigger and barrel nut and AR-15 type mag feed. Nice stock.
I like the concept, but will a Mossberg work reliably?
I like the concept, but will a Mossberg work reliably?
Mystic Precision
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Where is the mag release?
Jerry
Jerry
Perhaps the best load for long range and magazine feed would be the 77gr SMK.
The concept is interesting.
Time for someone to do some testing.....
Forget the 30 round bolt action magazine business. If Mossberg is marketing it as taking AR magazines, any magazine made for the rifle will be an AR magazine by default.
The concept is interesting.
Time for someone to do some testing.....
Forget the 30 round bolt action magazine business. If Mossberg is marketing it as taking AR magazines, any magazine made for the rifle will be an AR magazine by default.
If one wants to get serious about genuine long range 5.56/.223, the 60gr, 70gr, and 77gr projectiles are only “half measures”.
Better to start off with a projectile like Sierra’s .223 80gr VLD and seat it out properly so that where the boat-tail starts/is seated at the cartridges’s case neck-shoulder junction and work up proper loads not related trying to fit the OAL cartridge into an existing magazine. Some say less drift at 1,200 yards than a .308 when properly set up
In proper design engineering, the proper load has to be worked up with the optimal projectile, seated at optimal length - oblivious to action / magazine length for the best performance. Shoving the optimal projectile back in a cartridge case to fit in an existing magazine or action is “backwards engineering” in the professional opinion of many.
Then, and only then do you get an optimal truly long range .223/5.56mm rifle. The projectile has to the center of attention with the rifle/action being built around it.
Better to start off with a projectile like Sierra’s .223 80gr VLD and seat it out properly so that where the boat-tail starts/is seated at the cartridges’s case neck-shoulder junction and work up proper loads not related trying to fit the OAL cartridge into an existing magazine. Some say less drift at 1,200 yards than a .308 when properly set up
In proper design engineering, the proper load has to be worked up with the optimal projectile, seated at optimal length - oblivious to action / magazine length for the best performance. Shoving the optimal projectile back in a cartridge case to fit in an existing magazine or action is “backwards engineering” in the professional opinion of many.
Then, and only then do you get an optimal truly long range .223/5.56mm rifle. The projectile has to the center of attention with the rifle/action being built around it.
So they're building this rifle after the huge success of their Night Train? Sorry to be negative, but I think mossberg should have stuck to shotguns.
IMO if Savage or Remington had gone with an AR mag, bolt action 223 they'd be rolling on orders.
IMO if Savage or Remington had gone with an AR mag, bolt action 223 they'd be rolling on orders.
Just a question. What draws people to bolt actions with hi-cap mags?
I won't speak for everyone, I'm just saying that there seems to be plenty of interest on this forum for such a gun. People buy custom bottom metal for their Remington 700s to fit AIA mags, Ruger has brought out the Gunsite rifle and now Mossberg jumps on the bandwagon with this rifle. Savage and Remington would be wise to make an offering.
Still don't see why it appeals to people.
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Savage just released the model 10 FCP-SR
