why the 3030?

senior said:
Well I was following right along J Carmichal picking a few statement apart but generally agreeing till he proclaimed a 264 with 140s as the winner :rolleyes:
If bullet constrction was equal there's no way a 264-140gn is any better than a 270-150gn, a 30-06-220gn etc.
The simple fact is the bullet needs to be constrcted heavy enough to with-stand most of the brush busting to get thru, but that's not the type of bullet needed for thin skinned game! & rule of logic dictates if bullet construction is equal, the heaviest, fastest bullet is at the top, with the slowest, lightest bullet at the bottom.
Better idea is to shoot around the brush ;)
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Of course, Carmichael, actually did the testing. Let us know when you publish your results.

And, you are certainly correct about shooting around the brush! :D

Ted
 
H4831 said:
I wouldn't hold that against him.
I'll bet they were/are very scarce in the US. Who down there would choose a 303 British, when the same rifle could be had in the great 30-40 US calibre?
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Better question,who anywhere would choose a 303 British,or for that matter a 30-30?Surely the must be able to find something more siutable.
 
remington308 said:
i too have seen moose dropped with the 3030, but everyone and their dogs has them, and i wonder why its the 3030 and 303 that they always use. is it a $ issue possibly?
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If you ever get a chance, line up milk jugs at 50 yards
Shoot 170 gr 30-30 in some and 180 accubonds from a 300 win in others.
Dont be surprised if the 30-30 out penetrate the 300. And the mushroom on the 30-30 pill has a good chance to look better.
Of course the 300 will deliver more energy in the animal. But i dont think a bull moose is overly impressed by foot/pounds but a nice wound channel through both lungs will put him down shortly.
Your native friends, probably knows how to get within 100yrds of their query
So they dont see the need for the more expensive, harder kicking, heavier 300 win.

And for accuracy here's the first and only group i did from a bench @ 100y using the buckhorn Sight on my post 64 top eject. I bought a box of federal 170 gr. To see if they would do better than the 2"-2.5" i got from the remington corelokt i have always used...i think I found my load:D

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I killed my first big game with this rifle 23 years ago, a 205 pound black bear. It never knew what hit him. I killed other with my 300 rum. And they didn't die any faster
After that i used every kind of more powerfull centerfires, but i get her out from time to time for stillhunting.
 
When hunt 101 is back up I can show some pictures of wet newspaper testing with the 30-30. I have a Stevens 325 B that is MOA accurate and it makes lovely mushrooms with bullets from the 125 Sierra at 2600fps to the 170 Hornady at 2100. The 170 Hornady actually out penetrated the 358 Norma with 225 Sierra BTails at 2800fps. Of course the wound channels where a lot smaller and the Sierra Boattail core separated as usual.
 
joe-nwt said:
Sure. Let's put the milkjugs out at 200yds too.
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I Never pretended that the 30-30 was a 200y rifle or that it was a 300 win equivalent. Just that it was underestimated inside 150y.
At least by those whose sole experience with it is on a ballistic chart.
Those same guys think the 300 win is still a superduper killer @ 500y tough.
(they might as well as it is:D) they forget that the 30-30 at 100 is about the same as the 300win at 500y, except for 1 thing, the 30-30 bullet is made for this Impact velocity, and will transfer its energy a lot better, due to better expansion, larger frontal area.
I've used 300 rum and 7 wsm a lot and it's still what i hunt with. ( i'm still in the " what if my only shot is 275 yard away" stage of my hunting career. LOL.) but i cannot tell that my 300 kill any faster than the 30-30 under 100 y.
I even lost a deer at 100 y, shot on a "quatering to" shot in the shoulder with the RUM that i attribute to bullet fragmentation. It fell at the shot, and 15 min later got up to it's feet and limped out of sight never to be seen again. Not a single drop of blood was found, not even where it laid for 15 min.
I should probably use a 338 edge:rolleyes:
 
ninepointer said:
I hear things like that said a lot about the .30-30. They are technically true, but I think that for the average hunter the phrase should be revised to "inside 75 yards".

150 yards is a long, long way for most eastern deer hunters, with any gun. When we're talking 30-30, we're usually talking about a lever-action with iron sights, often the buckhorns that came with it. 150 yards is well into Hail Mary territory.
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I've shot deer at a hair over 250 yds with a 30-30, (258 yds to be exact) but it is also a marlin with a scope.

The real limitation of most 30-30's is the sights, if you can put the bullet where it counts it will do the job on deer out to 300.
 
crazydave said:
I've shot deer at a hair over 250 yds with a 30-30, (258 yds to be exact) but it is also a marlin with a scope.

The real limitation of most 30-30's is the sights, if you can put the bullet where it counts it will do the job on deer out to 300.
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Huh. I would have thought the bullet would have fallen to the ground before 300.........;)
 
Superbrad said:
Doesn't get as easily deflected as a high speed high spin magnum round if it hits a twig on it's way to the target....
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1150 posts in 2months and you think brush busters exist? Did you actually have time to leave the computer and hunt this year?

I actually did the test. I set a box up 20yds into I bush line and fired .30-30, .45-70, .308, SKS, .303Br, .30-06, and.300WM. Several weights from each. Barely any reached the box. Those that did, were key-holed, fragments tearing things up, or totally off target. Misses that reached the box were often more than a foot off!

Gotta say that this post reduces your credibility in my eyes. Anyone shooting and hunting for 30yrs from .177 up to big .30's would have put that myth to bed long ago.
 
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