Help me decide what EOTech for my NEA15?

[Maple Leaf Pilgrim]

FWIW, I've yet to see an XPS series sight die. The "dead" sights I've seen have all been 5XX series sights and always related to the longitudinal battery arrangement.

That's fair dinkum, however, buddies have had issues with warrantee and customer service with Eotechs when thier stuff did crap out. There are reports from lightfighters around the globe that Aimpoint has far better Customer Assurance and Service.

YMMV.

Don't it always?

The T1 is a nice sight, but very small aperture and suffers from (IMHO) tunnel vision effects. Also, to get it high enough for co-witness you need a $200 mount, making the optic over $1000 after taxes.

Yeah, the T-1 is a good sight, but in my using it I have realized that I don't notice the barrel of the objective, in fact, when using Binden aiming technique it is as if the dot kind of floats in the air above the rifle and there's this light gray halo kind of floating around it. I use an ADT-10 True Co-witness mount for my T-1, that I bought from TSE (Shout out to Justin for delivering the goods) for the shocking price of $87.95 before taxes. And I picked up the T-1 from the good folks at Questar for $645.00 before taxes setting me back $740.00 for a set-up that weighs 10 oz., eats a battery every three-five years and is more rugged than any other micro or red dot I have ever seen.

I find the XPS sights to co-witness out of the box, not require a secondary mount, and they give a much greater field of view.

That's kind of cool, I am still toying with the idea of an XPS3 on the Mossy... but I need to see better post sales service go out to the customer first.

 

[Jamie]

Aimpoint Micro

 

[mebiuspower]

I get my 123`s on ebay for dirt cheap

cheap chinese batteries for your $500 sight...?

 

[DILLIGAF]

I run them also in my X400

I buy the Panasonic on ebay they come in about 1$ each with shipping...

 

[Avalonthas]

cheap chinese batteries for your $500 sight...?

Shenzhen Aobo Battery Co (China) makes a large proportion of Energizer batteries.

Equally so many are made in the USA...with Chinese parts

LOL

 

[hapkido99]

I run a 551 on one of mine and it has worked flawless for me.

 

[FrankieT]

Would there really be that much hold over at a 100 yard difference?

Yes. It isn't really that much.

 

[Xman]

Would there really be that much hold over at a 100 yard difference?

Funny you should ask. I zeroed the top dot at 100 yards and then I used the bottom dot for aiming at 200 yards. The bullets impacted where the top dot was aiming. It was as if the Czech surplus ammo I was shooting out of my CZ858 had no drop from 100y to 200y.

I'll have to investigate further. It was getting too cold and windy yesterday.

 

[Claven2]

Funny you should ask. I zeroed the top dot at 100 yards and then I used the bottom dot for aiming at 200 yards. The bullets impacted where the top dot was aiming. It was as if the Czech surplus ammo I was shooting out of my CZ858 had no drop from 100y to 200y.

I'll have to investigate further. It was getting too cold and windy yesterday.

Not surprising. The reticle is calibrated for 5.56 NATO out of a 14.5" M4, not a CZ858 in 7.62mm.

 

[Shep546]

Funny you should ask. I zeroed the top dot at 100 yards and then I used the bottom dot for aiming at 200 yards. The bullets impacted where the top dot was aiming. It was as if the Czech surplus ammo I was shooting out of my CZ858 had no drop from 100y to 200y.

I'll have to investigate further. It was getting too cold and windy yesterday.

I can tell you with my AR I have my red dot, non magnified zero'd in at 100 yards and the hold over to 200 would is pretty little. At 200 yards the dot on my sight pretty much covers the target.

 

[Xman]

Not surprising. The reticle is calibrated for 5.56 NATO out of a 14.5" M4, not a CZ858 in 7.62mm.

So, is there no bullet drop from 100 to 200 shooting 7.62x39?

I was shooting at a human silhouette target. At 200 yards, the bottom dot was center mass(about the middle of the abdomen) and the top dot was on the head. All my rounds hit in the head, where the top dot was aiming.

At 100 yards, I was aiming with the top dot in the center of the abdomen and all my rounds hit where I was aiming. So, it seems like there is no bullet drop between 100 and 200 with x39.

 

[Jamie]

I dont like those types of reticles I like one dot 2moa is my favorite , zero at 50meters and on a figure 11 I get hits just aiming at COM all the way out 300 the difference between 100 and 200 meters is way to small to care about

 

[Claven2]

So, is there no bullet drop from 100 to 200 shooting 7.62x39?

I was shooting at a human silhouette target. At 200 yards, the bottom dot was center mass(about the middle of the abdomen) and the top dot was on the head. All my rounds hit in the head, where the top dot was aiming.

At 100 yards, I was aiming with the top dot in the center of the abdomen and all my rounds hit where I was aiming. So, it seems like there is no bullet drop between 100 and 200 with x39.

I can't comment without knowing the particulars of your gear, how the sights are set up on it, etc.

 

[heckler]

Should I get the 552 model or should I get the XPS3-0? What are the advantages and disadvantages? I will be putting it on an NEA 15. I already have mbus2 on order.

Get the one that is spelt like this:
Aimpiont T1/H1
or
Aimpoint Comp 4

 

[Claven2]

Get the one that is spelt like this:
Aimpiont T1/H1
or
Aimpoint Comp 4

Not everyone prefers Aimpoint - I don't and I'm not alone.

Aimpoint it nice, but it's not for everyone.

 

[TDIGZ]

Hi guys, been observing this thread for a bit. I bought my first AR about a ear ago, 16LMT QB.

I have two very noob questions which I feel stupid for asking (I couldn't find any decent answers via basic google search):

1) I have the monolithic rail platform on my AR (long top rail with no breaks), would there stll be a huge size/weight advantage to the XPS over the A series if I eventually plan on getting the hybrid addition for the red dot?

2) Can somone explain in lamens terms what MOA is (read: minute of angle?) and what effects it has on which reticle I might choose?

Thanks for all construtive responses guys, really appreciate the help.

T

 

[CZ85Combat]

Hi guys, been observing this thread for a bit. I bought my first AR about a ear ago, 16LMT QB.

I have two very noob questions which I feel stupid for asking (I couldn't find any decent answers via basic google search):

1) I have the monolithic rail platform on my AR (long top rail with no breaks), would there stll be a huge size/weight advantage to the XPS over the A series if I eventually plan on getting the hybrid addition for the red dot?

2) Can somone explain in lamens terms what MOA is (read: minute of angle?) and what effects it has on which reticle I might choose?

Thanks for all construtive responses guys, really appreciate the help.



T

For MOA: htt p://riflestocks.tripod.com/moa.html

The size weight advantage would be minimal, but the solidity and longer battery life would be the major improvement. You also get co-witness with iron sights without mods

 

[Claven2]

Bear in mind that most rails are nto for mounting optics, but rather accessories that are less positionally sensitive like IR pointers, lasers, lights, etc.

Ideally you mount you optic(s) to the most stable part of the rifle, that being the upper receiver.

The XPS allows you to mount to the front-most of the receiver itself and still give room for the eotech magnifier and a rear BUIS.

You can't do that with a 5XX series.

 

[enefgee]

In rough terms (all you need for practicality) a 2 MOA dot covers approximately 2 inches of the target at 100, roughly 4 inches at 200, more roughly 6 inches at 300. There are slight fractions involved, and with a high power scope from a bench, or beyond 400 metres it might make a difference, but for a person shooting from standing at carbine ranges, that's close enough. The bigger the dot, the quicker it is to pick up at close range, but the more of the target it covers at medium range, making it less capable of fine accuracy.

 

[heckler]

Not everyone prefers Aimpoint - I don't and I'm not alone.

Aimpoint it nice, but it's not for everyone.

It was my feeble attempt at some humor

I totally get your point(31 flavors etc...) without going into huge amounts of detail though:
Both Eotech's I have hade have failed me.(outages)
You loose the retical in sight when sun is at your back.
One of them would not hold a zero and Eotech's warranty did nothing for me.
Retical is fuzzy depending on lighting(finicky IMO)
Does not work well with magnifiers(dot to large for precision shots,ie 8" plate at 350-400m)
When you decide on something diferent than your Eotech they do not retain any value when you try to sell them.
Pro's-moderatly good sight for the money.
- Fairly forgiving for the new shooter

Aimpoints-my biggest con on them is the micro series(somewhat exposed objective lenses) but that is easily fixed.

The Comp 4 series(weight is the downfall) but they are proven reliable and extremelly tough and mine with the 2MOA dot is great for longer range shooting and for close up... outstanding. Most people use them incorectly and try to achive a perfect sighting alignment,not nessicary inside 100m. If target is in your vision and you are useing Binden method you make the hits with ease and speed.
Aimpoints can be pricey but worth every penny IMO.

I guess what I would really suggest is before one goes out and slaps down the $500.-$800. try a few different models and have someone that knows teach you how to use them. Learn to use your irons proficiently.
I usually suggest new shooters figure out the basics first(irons) get good hits,build speed and confidence know your platform etc... then and only then start useing these "red dots" and you will be pleasantly supprised how good you are.