9mm carbine ???
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At close range, with the right bullet and a properly placed shot, it is capable of taking down everything in North America. With that being said it is in NO way ideal for everything in North America. Most, if not all, provinces determine a firearms use/legality by bore size/diameter and not by chambering...therefore you can pretty much hunt all species of big game and small game (migratory birds excluded) with a 9mm rifle or carbine. However, in Quebec, small game can only be shot (legally) with rimfire cartridges.
There are plenty of non restricted carbines and most can be rebareled.
So I wouldn't say most are.
Really?... in 9mm?... I am looking for one in the near future... one of my ranges only allows handgun calibers and I would like to buy one so that my son can start with a rifle type setup.... one that is more meaty than a .22lr....
I have to plead ignorance here.... posted only based on what I have seen available from site sponsors....
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I seem to recall that Elmer Keith spoke of a fellow who moved to Alaska and fed his family with the game he shot with an Artillery model Luger. Personally I doubt if those folks put on much weight that winter, but that being said, if a 9X19 chambered manual action carbine could be found, it would suffice as a small game cartridge. I wouldn't be tempted to use it for anything but small game.
Ardent
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No it really won't take down anything in North America... a .357 Magnum is marginal on just deer let alone anything bigger, and the 9mm is like a .22 short beside it. Hunting a Moose with a 9mm would be equivalent to hunting Elephants with a .223. Sure it is possible, but even the best marksman and stalker would have to work really hard to contrive an excuse that makes it sound like a reasonable idea. You'll without question spend more trying to put together or find a restricted 9mm carbine than a budget hunting rifle in a real chambering, so there really is no excuse.
To the OP, niche fetish interests have no place in hunting as it's not fair to the game. If you only want to shoot rabbits, where a .22 or .22 Mag is a far better choice still, however there I wouldn't berate your choice of a 9mm. Anything beyond that there's no excuse.
Northman999
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There's the JR carbine and the Kel-Tec sub 2000, at least, in non-rest 9mm carbines.
Personally, I don't think the 9mm is suitable for anything beyond coyotes at 50 yards.
Personally, I don't think the 9mm is suitable for anything beyond coyotes at 50 yards.
Then there is the Beretta CX Storm with the longer barrel and application/paperwork to make it un-restricted.
Nothing wrong with a survivalist type firearm in your shtf kit.
The 40 0r 45 Cal would get my vote for such a venture.
I did own one in 9mm two years ago, was fun to shoot but the black guns are not my thing.Just personal choice is all.
Tight Groups,
Rob
You don't think a 147 grain FMJ placed behind the ear of any North American animal will kill it???
I'll repeat the first 2 sentences of my original comment: At close range, with the right bullet and a properly placed shot, it is capable of taking down everything in North America. With that being said it is in NO way ideal for everything in North America.
Until that 147gr fmj ends up 2 inches low and then bye bye lower jaw, hello grievously wounded animal. I understand what you are saying, however 9mm vs deer is just as moronic as the guy on here defending his use of .223 45gr varmint bullets on deer. No one here is on the verge of death by starvation, which would be the only scenario that any of the above would be acceptable. There are vastly more ethical choices.
Ardent
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No, I don't as I don't trust likely 99% of shooters to be able to make a behind the ear shot, with a questionably accurate 9mm carbine, on wild and wary game. Even the most accomplished hunters go for real shot opportunities, not behind the ear. A .22 Short will also kill deer when placed behind the ear, and they have a similar trajectory as a 147gr 9mm, but that doesn't mean it is capable of killing anything in North America. It simply means as a ridiculous stunt it could be possible to kill anything in North America. The way your post was written a non-hunter like the OP (I'm presuming he's of limited hunting/field experience, even just given the question unless he's only after rabbits) will take it as "it can be done".
A 9mm can kill any animal. So can a sharp stick and a rock. Short of small game I wouldn't use it. But I'm one of those guys that won't shoot a deer with a 223. All hunting and killing aside a 9mm carbine would be a fun gun to plink with in the back 40
No offence intended here ladies and gentlemen but...You both make the mistake of faulting the cartridge because of your lack of trust in your fellow hunters. That's the same attitude the antis have...blaming guns/gun types when people are the true problem.
There is no such thing as an ethical cartridge choice. The only ethical choice we hunters have is shot placement as well as bullet construction. If it's not a perfect shot you simply don't take it...something many of the "magnum" boys should practice (along with their shooting). A moose shot in the guts or the jaw with a .338 Win mag will run off and suffer just as long as one shot in the same place with a 9mm. And when shot thru the heart, it will die just as fast with either one.
If using a 9mm on big game is wrong, what do you think about us hunters who use an arrow to shoot that same big game?
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I disagree with this point of view completely. There are clearly ethical cartridge and bullet choices based on the size of the game that is being hunted. One does not shoot elk with a .22 or elephants with a .30/30 loaded with expanding bullets. Why? Because to do so would inflict unnecessary suffering to the game, and laws have been enacted to reflect that reality. An arrow uses a completely different mechanism to kill. The broad-head slices though soft tissue, severs nerves, and cuts through major arteries, where a game bullet crushes soft tissue and pulverizes bone. Either can be an ethical or unethical choice on any particular game animal. When the correct combination is used the animal dies quickly when the brain is deprived of oxygen due to an interrupted blood supply. The correct choice of bullet and cartridge is the one which has a reasonable chance of killing the game with a single well placed shot, meaning that the bullet has the design and construction to provide sufficient penetration to destroy the blood bearing organs which support life. Choose a varmint bullet which goes to pieces after only a couple of inches of penetration, or similarly, when an under powered cartridge is chosen, the result is a ghastly wound and a fine game animal escapes to die a long lingering death. A 9X19 when loaded with an expanding bullet might prove deadly on small game and varmints, but does not meet the expectation of killing a big game animal with a single shot, within the range limitations of either the cartridge or shooter when used with any viable aiming point normally used by a big game hunter.
