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I noticed that Weatherby is no longer producing the Sub Moa in the Vanguard line. Wholesale sports is selling them for $200 off the original price. I have one ordered in a 223. Interested to know feed back on this gun. How's the action? What is the trigger like? Also, how does the action compare to a Rem 700SPS model? Thoughts?:cool:
 
Okay:

-Excellent gun.
-Good trigger.
-Outstanding action. Very strong. Excellent design and quality finishing.

Here's the problem:

The reason they don't make them anymore is because they came out with the new Vanguard S2. It's the same price as the original Vanguard (non sub-MOA) but is guaranteed sub MOA, has a two stage match trigger guaranteed to break at 2.5-3lbs and has an awesome new stock with griptonite inserts.

The older sub-MOA is a foolish purchase when you can get the new S2 which is also guaranteed sub-moa for less money and with a better stock and trigger.

Cabela's has the new S2 in stock.
 
Idcurrie,
Thanks for your input. So in your opinion, the new Vanguard S2 at $560,at Cabelas, is a better buy, and a better gun, than the older Vanguard Sub Moa at $660 at WSS? Does the sub moa not have an upgraded barrel? Isn"t a more accurate comparison, apples to apples if you wish.
The new Vanguard S2 Range Certified at $1000 vs the older SubMoa at $660?
 
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I have an older stainless Sub-MOA version in 22-250. I swapped out the trigger with a Timney and it's definately a shooter.

I went with the Sub-MOA version because of the upgraded stock.
 
I think there is some confusion. I own both the standard Vanguards and a Sub MOA. The regular Vanguard has the black tupperware stock and the Sub MOA has an improved (tannish coloured) composite stock with pillar bedding. I talked to Weatherby the other day and they are streamlining.

The S2 is replacing the base Vanguard. The SUB-MOA is being replaced with a rifle called the RC - Range Certified. It too has a composite stock (green) similar to mine.

Wholesale sports are simply clearing old stock, kinda like a Boxing week sale....only two weeks late.
 
sobo4303 said:
I think there is some confusion. I own both the standard Vanguards and a Sub MOA. The regular Vanguard has the black tupperware stock and the Sub MOA has an improved (tannish coloured) composite stock with pillar bedding. I talked to Weatherby the other day and they are streamlining.

The S2 is replacing the base Vanguard. The SUB-MOA is being replaced with a rifle called the RC - Range Certified. It too has a composite stock (green) similar to mine.

Wholesale sports are simply clearing old stock, kinda like a Boxing week sale....only two weeks late.
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Are they going to start to offer the RC model in stainless again?

Mine is the stainless with black (w. silver webbing) stock.
 
Yes, the range certified will have a few amenities that the regular Vanguard S2 does not have.

The thing is, though, that if the new Vanguard S2 will shoot the same as the older sub-MOA version and have a nicer stock and trigger than the Sub-MOA then why spend more money on the Sub-MOA.

Does the Sub-moa have a different barrel? I don't know. Who cares? They both are guaranteed sub-moa...

Sure, the new range certified (which aren't out yet, I believe) have even more bells and whistles but the current S2 is already better than the old sub-moa...
 
I guess that's what I am asking. Idcurrie, you seem to think that the Older Sub Moa, with the upgraded Fibreguard pillar bedded stock and upgraded barrel is not the gun the new Vanguard S2's are.
 
Idcurrie said:
Yes, the range certified will have a few amenities that the regular Vanguard S2 does not have.

The thing is, though, that if the new Vanguard S2 will shoot the same as the older sub-MOA version and have a nicer stock and trigger than the Sub-MOA then why spend more money on the Sub-MOA.

Does the Sub-moa have a different barrel? I don't know. Who cares? They both are guaranteed sub-moa...

Sure, the new range certified (which aren't out yet, I believe) have even more bells and whistles but the current S2 is already better than the old sub-moa...
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My Vanguard in 243 was a sub shooter right out of the box. My Son's Vanguard was not, although it was close. My Vanguard Carbine as also close. My SUB-MOA is. The difference is the stocks.

The Vanguard action, in my experiences, is a very sturdy and accurate action. Just like the Remy tupperware stocks, those black stocks flex and are mass produced, moulded tight and really can rub on the barrels, that affects accuracy.

The S2 is still a moulded stock. The difference is that the barrel is free floating. In my example above, the "black" Vanguard which shot MOA, the stock was not touching the barrel. In the other two, the stock was touching. (I have since remedied that on the carbine and we'll see if my bubba job did any good). The new RC and my SUB-MOA has the composite stock with pillar bedding. So there is a difference.

You are right though, if with a moulded stock and free floating barrel you get the same as the upgraded stock, the animal won't know the difference. Just a wee bit better quality for the money.
 
The S2 is still a moulded stock. The difference is that the barrel is free floating.
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No, it's not. It has a pressure point just like any other Vanguard stock.

Who cares? It's guaranteed 0.99". The trigger on the S2 is better and it costs less money...

I find the stock to be exceptionally excellent already...then again I'm comparing against Savages...

I also find the sub-MOA models to be exceedingly tacky and ugly.
 
Idcurrie said:
No, it's not. It has a pressure point just like any other Vanguard stock.
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I stand corrected then. The one I examined and ran a $20 bill down the barrel had a free float, but I guess not all of them do. The one I saw had to be an anomaly. Also folks, if you read the fine print on the moa guarantee on Wby's site, it reads:

"Weatherby® Vanguard® Series 2 rifles are guaranteed to shoot a 3-shot group of .99" or less at 100 yards (SUB-MOA) when used with specified Weatherby® factory or premium ammunition."

In other words, the guarantee is void if you shoot the cheaper ammo, handloads or surplus. It's a nice gimmick, but in reality, these rifles will shoot just like all the rest. I have a safe full of the others, and yup, most of those are sub shooters too, just not marketed as such. I love them all!
 
^^^ Un huh. They have the same fine print on the MOA version too....

With regards to looks, it's not the stock so much as the tacky, tacky scolls and writing all over the floorplate...
 
Prdtrgttr said:
I noticed that Weatherby is no longer producing the Sub Moa in the Vanguard line. Wholesale sports is selling them for $200 off the original price. I have one ordered in a 223. Interested to know feed back on this gun. How's the action? What is the trigger like? Also, how does the action compare to a Rem 700SPS model? Thoughts?:cool:
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Good luck getting it. I ordered the same gun almost 2 weeks ago and they called me back saying they had none in Calgary and might be able to locate one at another one of their stores. Don't be surprised if you hear back from them telling you the same story.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Good luck getting it. I ordered the same gun almost 2 weeks ago and they called me back saying they had none in Calgary and might be able to locate one at another one of their stores. Don't be surprised if you hear back from them telling you the same story.
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The gun arrived today. I decided to purchase it...will shoot it this weekend and will let you know how it shoots.
 
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