The AR-10
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JimboJones
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Figures you would have them. Knight's Armament was the last place he worked before he died. I think
So, any chance on running an AR-10 chambered for .308 running down the line next to all those SR-25s.
I kid, I am sure a run of firearms for the civilian market is probably not currently in the companies scope.
We build SR-25's for the commercial market.
The AR-10 used a lot of proprietary parts, and had their own issues. Making new AR10's from the old prints is not going to happen unless someone plunks down a ton of cash.
The AR-10 used a lot of proprietary parts, and had their own issues. Making new AR10's from the old prints is not going to happen unless someone plunks down a ton of cash.
Travis Bickle
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Plunks down a ton of cash for what?
G-code writing?
Access to the drawings from someone who has a set?
There are no IP barriers remaining - the patents expsired in the 1970's.
Theoretically anyone with the machines to produce an AR15 (and I do mean ALL of an AR15, including wax castings, furniture, etc.), should have the necessary ability and resources to produce the AR10 to original drawings...?
G-code writing?
Access to the drawings from someone who has a set?
There are no IP barriers remaining - the patents expsired in the 1970's.
Theoretically anyone with the machines to produce an AR15 (and I do mean ALL of an AR15, including wax castings, furniture, etc.), should have the necessary ability and resources to produce the AR10 to original drawings...?
JimboJones
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Sorry, I was being too vague. I meant soley for the civilian market. I am assuming that it (AR-10) was ruled out for millitary / police contracts with the development SR-25 and thus the commercial market is all that would be available at this time.
Your statement about further R&D required kind of confirms this.
I was fully aware of the SR-25 being available. I drool every time an upper or lower pops up in the EE or Farmboy gets a hold of some and promptly shred my CC before I end up in the doghouse.
Someday...
For now; also a sad panda.
Could someone produce an original styled AR-10 sample to the RCMP to get it classified as non-restricted. After that, just manufacture non-restricted lowers and start selling 308cal AR-15 uppers that fit the original styled AR-10 lowers.?
This way the sample doesn't have to all of the bugs worked out like a production rifle should.
Travis Bickle
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All I know is that however they produced it, as long as cost is $2000 or around there, I would sell every rifle I have (and my wife
) from least liked to most until I had enough to cover the cost of one.I'm sure they could still produce it for the same price as the high grade
AR-15's.
Hey! Here's an idea! What if enough people contacted Norinco and attempted to get them to produce a reproduction AR-10B?
If noone here wants to tap a potential gold mine at premium dollar, I'm sure the Republic will pick up the huge profit margin at a much reduced cost
Travis Bickle
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Ah! But then it wouldn't truly be an AR-10! lol It would be much closer to just another AR-15 clone with a slightly different receiver and butt stock just like the newer "AR-10's" in production now
Travis Bickle
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I've suggested a group letter to Norinco for a new run of Valmet rifles before.
Sign me up for the group letter.
Who is spearheading this expedition?
Actualy I'm going to send a letter to China North Industries.
Detailing the exact situation with our firearms laws and how well an average priced non-restricted Valmet or AR-10B or AR-180b2
would sell in this country. Complete with examples of what people are willing to pay for the rare samples of them available in this country.
Maybe one man can make a difference, I'm going to try.
I'll post a copy on here before I send it for proof reading or ideas.
To those who need to be satiated with pics, here is a fine example of a Sudanese AR10 I picked up in the late 80's. Manufactured most likely in late 1957 early 1958. Serial # are in the low 3 digit range indicating this to be one of the very earliest AR's ever made. Only a few preceded these which the dutch threw a butt ugly muffler/can type of flash hider on. The Guatamalan' got a few (sans the shroud) with vented flash hider also before they moved into the Transitionals. A lot of mystery over the ones numbered between 5000-6000, they just cannot be found too easily or at all from what I've seen, probably some special ops teams or secret private military order got these. The portugese ones started in the high#5000's and then that was it. The handguard was some kind of bakelite/fiberglass type of stuff and does deteriorate over years.
When it was still legal to shoot these here in Canada, mine would print about 1 1/2" at 100 yrds with surplus ammo and trumped every FAL I had. Kicked like an SOB being so light and there was always a ringing pinging sound after the shot. Never had a FTF with it although a good cleaning on the chamber was needed after about a thousand rounds or it would start failing to extract. Nothing is interchangeable on these with the modern AR's. There is only one fellow in the Netherlands who makes bolts and some parts for them from what I've gleened over the years.
Four prototypes were made for the Springfield Armory tests. Against Stoners wishes, the "controller" of Armalite at the time decided to make an aluminum steel composite barrel which subsiquently blew up in testing. The (mistaken) impression was left with the military that it would take a few years to get that problem fixed so the model was not adopted in the US (even though the Stoner designed steel barreled ones functioned fine). Enjoy the pics..
Note the rather crude handguard material of the time...
When it was still legal to shoot these here in Canada, mine would print about 1 1/2" at 100 yrds with surplus ammo and trumped every FAL I had. Kicked like an SOB being so light and there was always a ringing pinging sound after the shot. Never had a FTF with it although a good cleaning on the chamber was needed after about a thousand rounds or it would start failing to extract. Nothing is interchangeable on these with the modern AR's. There is only one fellow in the Netherlands who makes bolts and some parts for them from what I've gleened over the years.
Four prototypes were made for the Springfield Armory tests. Against Stoners wishes, the "controller" of Armalite at the time decided to make an aluminum steel composite barrel which subsiquently blew up in testing. The (mistaken) impression was left with the military that it would take a few years to get that problem fixed so the model was not adopted in the US (even though the Stoner designed steel barreled ones functioned fine). Enjoy the pics..
Note the rather crude handguard material of the time...
Ar180shooter
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It all has to do with weather the manufacturer thinks the project will be profitable. There isn't the same demand for reproductions of these in the U.S., and if they were made in Canada, they couldn't be exported to the U.S. because of 922r (at least this is the situation as I understand it).
You're thinking MODERN variants. The AR10 being discussed was a unique design only produced in the 1950's.
AWESOME rifle you have there, Nupes. Looks just like the one I almost bought bak in the 80'2 here in Ottawa from a small gunshop in Bell's Corners... forget the name now.
Also, a lad had gunshop down in North Gower in the basement of a church, I think.
Had all kinds of CA's ... a M1A1 Thompson was $300 ... a G3 too, same $ ... too damned poor to buy them ALLLLLL up like I should have. Ah well...shouldacouldwoulda.
Anyways... just chiming in to say I too would like to see new production of an unrestricted AR-10 just like the old Armalite above... I would definately buy one.
Show up to the deer camp with THAT baby!
Free whiskey for the whole week... just let the lads shoot cheap milsurp out of her ( well OK not so cheap nowadays)
Also, a lad had gunshop down in North Gower in the basement of a church, I think.
Had all kinds of CA's ... a M1A1 Thompson was $300 ... a G3 too, same $ ... too damned poor to buy them ALLLLLL up like I should have. Ah well...shouldacouldwoulda.
Anyways... just chiming in to say I too would like to see new production of an unrestricted AR-10 just like the old Armalite above... I would definately buy one.
Show up to the deer camp with THAT baby!
Free whiskey for the whole week... just let the lads shoot cheap milsurp out of her ( well OK not so cheap nowadays)
Note at all.
There are in reality 4 styles of 762 AR:
1) Original AR10 -- no longer in production
2) In 1989 C. Reed Knight Jr. and Eugene (Gene) Morrison Stoner started building the SR-25 (Stoner Rifle, and AR-15 and AR-10 = 25).
This used many M16 parts as possible to cut down costs (and subsequently many where replaced with purpose built parts as a 5.56mm part in many areas does not suffice).
The SR-25 is the basis for many of the other 7.62 AR style guns -- they use the original AR-10 magazine design.
3) Eagle Arms (who bought the rights to Armalite) started making a gun based off the M-14 magazine.
4) Now Hk started making the Hk417/MR308 -- while a piston gun, and a unique mag, they use the 'full size' bolt carrier idea of the original AR-10, the SR-25 and current AR-10 guns use the M16 diameter buffer tubes - and the full size bolt carrier is a no go on that.
