what milsurp for military competition?

how are the 98 mausers? in 8mm?

tradex has some vz-24's that are refurbed, in very good condition... i know that action can handle some "hot" loads.... can this rifle be accurized to compare with a ross, or a swede?

the range im shooting at has 100 and 200m
 
simko said:
how are the 98 mausers? in 8mm?

tradex has some vz-24's that are refurbed, in very good condition... i know that action can handle some "hot" loads.... can this rifle be accurized to compare with a ross, or a swede?

the range im shooting at has 100 and 200m
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Accurized? I think there are restrictions on that. Bedding and trigger jobs are usually a no-no. Usually just some minor tweaking is allowed. If your going to compete you need to know what's allowed where you go.
 
If its just for fun I'd use an SVT40 and surplus ammo. The fireballs and sonic booms would throw everybody else off their game.
 
smellie said:
PP has the right idea. There is NUTHIN' that can keep up with a decent Ross.

Buddy and myself entered an ironsight comp at CFB Shilo a number of years ago. There were 23 teams and we were the ONLY one with two bolt rifles; all other teams had one or more SA or selective-fire rifles. We came in 10th place, shooting reactive steels against beltfeds and semi-autos. Our round count was about 50%, as compared to 2 to 3% for the Minimis. You won't have that problem.

I would point out that the 74/75-point 1100-yard Bisley target was shot 101 years ago..... by a Ross. It has been equalled 3 times but it has never been beaten.

Failing a decent Ross, a really good P-'14 is really hard to beat and a Number 4 is good competition for almost anything. SMLE sights are the same pattern as the MN 91/30; it just took the Russians 23 years to catch up. SMLE is capable of very decent shooting with a minimum of work.

Properly bedded and with a trigger job, ANY of them can do the job if you can work with the sights. Aperture sights are the best, post forward sight almost a necessity. That silly barleycorn-and-V-notch should have been scrapped in 1865..... British DID scrap it in 1907, come to think of it.

Most important point of all: be sure to have fun!
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Was that record not shot with a Ross .280/ and then the Britts baned the 280 from Bisley ?
 
And isn't that the way of the world? The mere Colonials come up with something that can beat the best of what the Mother Country produces, so you ban it. The actual target STILL has not been beaten.

FWIW, we shot the Shilo shoot against the M-21s and Minimis using a pair of 1910s, one a relic from the old HMS CANADA, the other cut down so badly that there was little forestock left. Neither was tweaked in any way, just cleaned carefully a couple of days before the shoot. DA 426 is absolutely the way it was when it came out of the Chilean Navy; it will overlap bullets at 100 off the bags, given that you feed it what it wants. That's pretty hard to beat. Wonderful trigger, excellent sights, long sighting radius: throw in a good bore and decent ammo and you have a very good chance.
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I've shot two DCRA service conditions matches (1-12) with a Mosin-Nagant this year. Definitly different than using the AR-15. Lots of fun. My main piece of input is this: unless you're at the upper tier of competition the gun won't matter much or at all. It's all the shooter.
 
cam1936 said:
I've shot two DCRA service conditions matches (1-12) with a Mosin-Nagant this year. Definitly different than using the AR-15. Lots of fun. My main piece of input is this: unless you're at the upper tier of competition the gun won't matter much or at all. It's all the shooter.
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Very true. Didn't someone from Quebec win with an SKS a year ago at some Provincial Match showing all the AR-15 owners how it's done?
 
I forgot to mention before but another good investment would be to get a sight pusher and a complete set of front sights. This is particularly true with Enfield's as they were set up to be sighted for Joe soldier and that was his rifle for the duration. They were also zeroed for 300yds with the bayonet on (No4's), so they shoot like 6 inches high at 100. Thus you may need to adjust the sights for you, for the range that you want and with or without a bayonet on.

I've got a No4 that shoots 3 inches right at 100, so all I did was push the sight over a bit and now she be bang on.
 
BCRider said:
Can you guys that have club competitions for these old pre '45 rifles describe the event a bit more? I'm keen on trying something with my local club that uses the classic milsurp guns. But I'm not sure how best to set up the event.
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The Smiths Falls F&G Club then the Eastern Ont Handgun Club took over the Ottawa area milsurp matches. EOHC shoots at big round paper bullseyes. The big black makes it easy to find and aim. The X, 10, 9 etc ring means any shot in the rings counts so guys can leave satisfied, and not hitting the middle can take you out of the game.

We've had 10 shots as a standard forever. Easy to count, and enough to force a reload for Garands and many others guns. We've had 100yd prone, 200yd prone, 100yd standing, 100yd standing snap, and 100yd sitting or kneeling. We've had a 100yd standing mad minute with as many scoring hits at your target as you can fire. In the dead of winter two years ago it was 100yd and 200yd from the bench inside the shed. The course of fire changes according to time and interest. Talent has very little to do with participating.

Two very important activities are, besides the conversation, are genial introduction by CGN handle, experience level and type of rifle, then a rigourous bilingual no BS safety brief. It has worked well in the past, and should continue to do so. Sometimes generous sponsors have donated prizes; sometimes the shooters put things of their own on the prize table.
 
Lotsa prizes really help!

Shilo club especially used to do a shakedown of everybody who supplied club or members with anything in the sport; had a greathuge table covered with prizes. The SHOOT is for the TROPHY. Everybody who shoots gets a draw ticket and after the shoot, tickets are drawn until there are no prizes left. Sometime this works very well, sometimes not..... and sometimes it can be very interesting. Once saw a guy leave a $400 rifle on the table (his ticket was drawn first) because he already had one; he took a field first-aid kit or something else that he needed!

Of course, once in a while it might not work out. In a dozen matches, I won a CFB Shilo beer mug.... and I VERY rarely drink at all. My ticket was drawn 31st and there were only 32 prizes, so you know what my luck is like! Then my Mother confiscated it for use as a pencil-holder!! But it all works out. My shooting buddy won at almost every match, took home 2 bandos of .303 ammo and didn't have a .303..... so I ended up with that.

It can be a LOT of FUN.

@ STENCOLLECTOR: boys are back now from 'Stan. When's the next shoot?
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Sometimes generous sponsors have donated prizes; sometimes the shooters put things of their own on the prize table.
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At EOHC's milshoots, the conversation, meetings and friendship are the prize. Marstar, Higginson Powder and Trade Ex have been very generous in the past (rifles, scopes, powder, bullets, shirts, hats, etc). Some guys have useful stuff leftover from whatever, and would rather see it re-gifted than forgotten. I've donated a CNo.7 chest to the top Lee Enfield scorer, and a while ago, a Long Branch aiming tripod (a No.4 accessory about 4' tall and 3' leg spread).

As we try to emphasize, winning is not the goal. Shooting is the intention. The usual suspects will finish 1,2,3 or close enough. The fellow who shows up with what he has, should never feel discouraged because he isn't winning. In these unsettled shooting times, we need as much participation as we can encourage.
 
@diopter:

Yes, original full-wood M-10 Rosses are a proper pain in the bank account, but there are some around with full-length barrels (30.5") and cut wood which often can be found in the $200 range. Some of them can SHOOT, too. The second rifle in the Shilo competition was one I had $35 into.

Check out the EE. You might be urprised at what shows up.
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