Att: Issues with lever arms and cf-98
- Thread starter rollingrock
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Your comparison isn't fair IMO. $500 could get a lot of things done well in China. Some well made Chinese guns sold in Canada are below $400. My experience is the result of combination of ####ty customer service of Lever Arms and ####ty product itself.
Chinese guns are hit and miss. HP9 870 copy tends to work well, 780 Homeland security tends to not.
Thanks for the heads up.
So this thread can basically be boiled down to the following:
cheap gun from country notorious for total lack of QC turns out to be poorly built
Well, thanks for the heads up, anyway.
cheap gun from country notorious for total lack of QC turns out to be poorly built
Well, thanks for the heads up, anyway.
All I can say is before I bought my first gun I went around to every store in the lower mainland and compared service and prices and then I decided on who to support and give my money to. Lever Arms were not hospitable at all, I saw that gun and was considering it but decided to go with something more mainstream and picked up an SR9. I kind of kick myself now for not saving up more and getting the Sig that I really wanted but wasn't sure how much I was going to enjoy shooting pistol and since it was my first, didn't want to invest too much.
sounds like you need to throw it up on EE and let it go for a loss, take a few deep breaths, save up some money, then buy something with a reputation in North America for being reliable and accurate so you don't have to search China and Pakistan for reviews on your gun to try to troubleshoot.
Good luck though
sounds like you need to throw it up on EE and let it go for a loss, take a few deep breaths, save up some money, then buy something with a reputation in North America for being reliable and accurate so you don't have to search China and Pakistan for reviews on your gun to try to troubleshoot.
Good luck though
easyrider604
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Greater Vancouver, BC
Yeah, with their extremely sullen and dour facial expressions, those two guys would win first and second place in the World's Mr. Personality contest, hands down. If I wasn't so keen on buying the new SKSs (at the time), I would've walked out the door.
However, I was with a friend who knew exactly which buttons to press, and we walked out happy with our SKSs.
I am really surprised why the owner, Ken, who is a jovial, generous and kindly man, continuous to employ these two guys. Opposites attract?
Gun shop attitude is pretty standard it seems.
Never experienced it at Reliable or Whanstall's but 50/50 at Lever and Itallian.....
I don't let it bother me as I'm confident in what I want mostly and to be honest it seems like atleast half the employees at gunshops are full of it anyways!
I actually enjoy the challenge of knocking the crust off crusty mofo's though!
Never experienced it at Reliable or Whanstall's but 50/50 at Lever and Itallian.....
I don't let it bother me as I'm confident in what I want mostly and to be honest it seems like atleast half the employees at gunshops are full of it anyways!
I actually enjoy the challenge of knocking the crust off crusty mofo's though!
Hahahahahaha
How the hell did THAT happen? Are they all manufactured to such a sloppy, lackadaisical specification that they are fitted to the gun itself?
Sorry to have such a laugh at your expense. I used to think there were 2 things I wouldn't buy from the PRC (citing dismal quality) guns and condoms, both could blow up and cause a real headache.
But I will admit that at least Norinco seems to use good materials in some of their guns (like their Sig clones, the 1911 hard forged steel, the M14 with a forged receiver, albeit a soft bolt). I'm actually impressed with Norinco's quality of materials, though they could pay better attention to fit and finish. Slave labour, whatcha gonna do...
500 bucks is a lot for a PRC pistol. Think of for $350 you could get a much better Sig clone. I'd want a refund after that.
I can sympathize with the lack of customer service at Lever Arms. I've gone different times, seen different people behind the counter but the same lackluster approach.
I'd say that the gun may not be defective, just very poorly designed. I'd still want a refund.
I'm glad that I at least entertained you. Their warranty terms don't include refund but exchange or repair I think. Well, if the issue has to be brought to BBB, that will be different story. I think I talked to the owner in the past. He seemed to be okay. But who knows why he always hires people like that? Maybe he needs some 'tough' guys to look after his business? What comes around goes around. Maybe not enough grief has been brought to them?
Ok, just to prove that I didn't bullsh!t you guys...
How many T-92s does each one of them carry? Two. Tactical needs? Maybe... you don't need to change mag. Just drop the first gun after the slide locks back and pull the second one out? WOW! I don't think so. Besides, the additional weight you will need to carry for no obvious benefit.
The only reason I can think of is the mags. Two mags for each gun. Since the mags aren't interchangeable, carry a second gun with two extra mags.
How many T-92s does each one of them carry? Two. Tactical needs? Maybe... you don't need to change mag. Just drop the first gun after the slide locks back and pull the second one out? WOW! I don't think so. Besides, the additional weight you will need to carry for no obvious benefit.
The only reason I can think of is the mags. Two mags for each gun. Since the mags aren't interchangeable, carry a second gun with two extra mags.
I never even noticed the two mags came serialized because the serial seems to be inked on so lightly. Mind all the mags worked out ok including the other three without the serials.
I have fired mine once for seventy rounds.
The accuracy was better than I am. No feed, extraction or ejection problems.
Ball FMJ 115gr and 124gr factory loads worked well enough.
My experience with Norinco sig and cz copies told me not to bother with reloads until after a few thousand rounds.
I didn't expect machining standards from plastic injection parts, and don't understand why anyone should come to expect that. Isn' that what should make it cheaper?
How detailed do you strip the pistol?
I only do it to the four or five basic components and then dunk in oil and wipe.
Seems the one problem of feeding from the specific mag side you have sorted.
One problem at a time.
I have fired mine once for seventy rounds.
The accuracy was better than I am. No feed, extraction or ejection problems.
Ball FMJ 115gr and 124gr factory loads worked well enough.
My experience with Norinco sig and cz copies told me not to bother with reloads until after a few thousand rounds.
I didn't expect machining standards from plastic injection parts, and don't understand why anyone should come to expect that. Isn' that what should make it cheaper?
How detailed do you strip the pistol?
I only do it to the four or five basic components and then dunk in oil and wipe.
Seems the one problem of feeding from the specific mag side you have sorted.
One problem at a time.
I'm not getting it... ...so lever has surly staff - you have to pay extra for that sometimes. Are you saying that, since you willingly entered into a transaction with them and you are now unhappy with the terms, this call to arms should absolve you?
- Location
- Victoria, B.C.
Sheesh, you're taking a beating here. I am actually thankful for the info as I've been lookin' into buying a firearm from Lever Arms at one point. (not the Chinese pistol though, even I know a dud, hehe. )
Hope it all works out for you. Buy a Glock.
Hope it all works out for you. Buy a Glock.
Everything you mentioned here was described in my posts, if you actually read them.
This is the Internet. You don't know who actually is behind the screen. So I don't get bothered by a couple of posts/posters.
I know how you feel about Lever.
I hate that prick Jeremy.
1 time the dope told me I had to call the CFC and transfer this rifle that they were tring to sell me. F Lever and the boat they sailed in from China on. To bad you didn't buy this from Marstar cause John goes out of his way to make sure his warrenty is worth the invoice paper it's printed on.
Also on a side note QC issues happen with all companies and as for you Glock owners. Howz ur Glock Version 4's holding up???
I hate that prick Jeremy.
1 time the dope told me I had to call the CFC and transfer this rifle that they were tring to sell me. F Lever and the boat they sailed in from China on. To bad you didn't buy this from Marstar cause John goes out of his way to make sure his warrenty is worth the invoice paper it's printed on.
Also on a side note QC issues happen with all companies and as for you Glock owners. Howz ur Glock Version 4's holding up???
I know how you feel about Lever.
I hate that prick Jeremy.
1 time the dope told me I had to call the CFC and transfer this rifle that they were tring to sell me. F Lever and the boat they sailed in from China on. To bad you didn't buy this from Marstar cause John goes out of his way to make sure his warrenty is worth the invoice paper it's printed on.
Also on a side note QC issues happen with all companies and as for you Glock owners. Howz ur Glock Version 4's holding up???
What's quite funny is that young guy Mike. When Jeremy wasn't around, he was totally fine to speak with and had good attitude. But as soon as Jeremy showed up, he started acting tough and talking tough. That was quite amazing to watch.
This gun's issues are the combination of designing flaws and QC problems. After searching more topics regarding CF98 on pakgun.com, I've founnd that people there actually have had feeding problems with this gun too...with FMJ. According to them, this gun usually has no problem with Chinese FMJs. But with Russian FMJs, this gun could have FTF as many as 25 times out of 2000 rds.
I believe people here who have bought this gun have had problems too. But for some reason they chose to keep their mouths shut. Maybe people are scared of Lever's attitude?
