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thats why they say that looking down the barrel for obstruction is the ONLY exception to the rule.
Questions about the 'PROVE it safe'
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thats why they say that looking down the barrel for obstruction is the ONLY exception to the rule.
hey we've all done the LOOKING down the barrel to get our PAL and RPAL, but seriously, whatever Government employee dreamed that up as the correct way to check a firearm was seriously retarded.
I limit the number of times I look down the barrel to an absolute minimum - never at the range, I use a rod. Only after I have cleaned the barrel.
I limit the number of times I look down the barrel to an absolute minimum - never at the range, I use a rod. Only after I have cleaned the barrel.
I agree with using the cleaning rod over looking down the barrel. But if you dont want to bring/dont have a cleaning with you, looking down the barrel after PROVE'ing it safe should be fine.
I dont see how the "Government employee that dreamed that up" is "retarded". Seems like a perfectly valid way of doing it if you dont have any other choice (or if its your preference. Though, it seems like it isnt anyones preference.)
I dont see how the "Government employee that dreamed that up" is "retarded". Seems like a perfectly valid way of doing it if you dont have any other choice (or if its your preference. Though, it seems like it isnt anyones preference.)
In my opinion...
teaching every firearm owner to look down the barrel, each time they pick it up or put it down, etc, over and over, is likely (at some point) to cause someone to be staring down the barrel of a firearm with a round in it - just the law of averages..... tons of pal holders, tons of years etc etc. leading to a potentially devastating incident.
teaching every firearm owner to look down the barrel, each time they pick it up or put it down, etc, over and over, is likely (at some point) to cause someone to be staring down the barrel of a firearm with a round in it - just the law of averages..... tons of pal holders, tons of years etc etc. leading to a potentially devastating incident.
Consider the source.
Don't ever forget that the "progressive" people who came up with the whole program - bureaucrats, special interest groups, politicians, and contractors - had and have a culture that is openly hostile toward law-abiding firearms owners.
Teaching each and every licensed firearms owner to point a muzzle at his or her own face on a daily basis dovetails nicely with their long-term and global agenda of reducing the total number of licensed firearms in private hands and reducing the total number of licensed firearms owners both in Canada, and in the world.
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It isn't retarded. It actually makes sense, when you think about it.
While I feel that always examining the bore as per the CFSC is excessive, there are situations where it is critical and I tell the students what those are (i.e. squib load or potential dirt in the barrel). I tell my students to do it 100% of the time during the course, but to use discretion when at a range (e.g. you shouldn't look down the barrel of your semi or pump shotgun eight times while shooting a round of 25 shots in skeet - which is what the CFSC would have you do). I have seen people get the steps out of order and examine the bore as the first step!
I've been thinking about the logic of examining the bore when it comes to airguns now that I'm doing Field Target shooting. With high-pressure centre-fire cartridges a bore obstruction may cause a rupture and shrapnel that will wreck your gun and potentially you or a bystander. With airguns there is no risk of a catastrophic failure with a bore obstruction because of the vastly lower operating pressures. With airguns whose bores cannot be visually inspected from the breech there is a much greater risk of someone getting steps out of order and looking down the barrel of a loaded airgun than there is from shooting with a bore obstruction.
I've been thinking about the logic of examining the bore when it comes to airguns now that I'm doing Field Target shooting. With high-pressure centre-fire cartridges a bore obstruction may cause a rupture and shrapnel that will wreck your gun and potentially you or a bystander. With airguns there is no risk of a catastrophic failure with a bore obstruction because of the vastly lower operating pressures. With airguns whose bores cannot be visually inspected from the breech there is a much greater risk of someone getting steps out of order and looking down the barrel of a loaded airgun than there is from shooting with a bore obstruction.
there's NOTHING wrong with holding it up to a light if you don't have a cleaning rod- if you start making exceptions to rules, people forget about them- as one of my instructors used to say" its VARIATIONS that CAUSE accidents" follow procedures and you'll NEVER HAVE AN ACCIDENT- lock the breech to the rear, eject the mag, and then verify it's empty- if you still can't, do a partial strip - that takes all of about 11 seconds with a 1911- a little longer with an m1919
and there's ALWAYS a squib rod IN MY RANGE BAG
and there's ALWAYS a squib rod IN MY RANGE BAG
I was a correctional officer for a few years and the drill we had to learn was:
1)Safe Direction
2)Safety On
3)Remove Magazine
4)Work Action
5)Check Chamber
6)Check Barrel
The looking down the barrel is not something I feel comrtable with so I always sght dowb the bore. I did look down the barrel for my cert but not something I generally do. There are other ways to prove the bore clear with out pulilng a Wile E Coyota or a Daffy Duck.
1)Safe Direction
2)Safety On
3)Remove Magazine
4)Work Action
5)Check Chamber
6)Check Barrel
The looking down the barrel is not something I feel comrtable with so I always sght dowb the bore. I did look down the barrel for my cert but not something I generally do. There are other ways to prove the bore clear with out pulilng a Wile E Coyota or a Daffy Duck.
I'm getting ready for my par/rpal soon, from an outsiders point of view it makes some sense, if your firearm is 100% save you shouldn't be at risk looking down, this means you have followed all steps and are confident the gun is empty.
I haven't been around many loaded firearms but if *I* (and only I) went through all the steps I think I'd be comfortable looking down the barrel, that said I'd rather use a light or rod either before or in place of looking down.
During the test if I brought a light would they still require me to look down the barrel? I'd much rather look down a barrel if it was my own firearm and because I choose to, not because I'm forced to.
p.s. Why would soldiers be told never do this, civilians do this?
I haven't been around many loaded firearms but if *I* (and only I) went through all the steps I think I'd be comfortable looking down the barrel, that said I'd rather use a light or rod either before or in place of looking down.
During the test if I brought a light would they still require me to look down the barrel? I'd much rather look down a barrel if it was my own firearm and because I choose to, not because I'm forced to.
p.s. Why would soldiers be told never do this, civilians do this?
I usually stick the brush down it - pretty easy way to make sure it is not obstructed.
For rifle/shotgun I look down (rifle from breech end after removing bolt, shotgun from breech as well since it is a break open) the barrel and shine a light in the breech (for non breech opening type actions like pumps)
For rifle/shotgun I look down (rifle from breech end after removing bolt, shotgun from breech as well since it is a break open) the barrel and shine a light in the breech (for non breech opening type actions like pumps)
When I took both my PAL and RPAL course, we were taught to use a cleaning rod.
At the range, doing the E continuously seems to be excessive and not always necessary. However, upon arriving at the bench before you fire your first shot, it seems to me to be a good idea to do the complete PROVE and run a patch down the barrel. At the minimum, it'll ensure it's free of excess cleaning oil. Doing all the steps is a good idea if your gun has been out of your control or sight for any time.
About looking down the muzzle, after you've completed the other steps in PROVE, I don't get the uneasiness. The fire arm is already shown to be unloaded and not dangerous. Regardless, you can still PROVE without peering down the barrel by using a cleaning rod.
At the range, doing the E continuously seems to be excessive and not always necessary. However, upon arriving at the bench before you fire your first shot, it seems to me to be a good idea to do the complete PROVE and run a patch down the barrel. At the minimum, it'll ensure it's free of excess cleaning oil. Doing all the steps is a good idea if your gun has been out of your control or sight for any time.
About looking down the muzzle, after you've completed the other steps in PROVE, I don't get the uneasiness. The fire arm is already shown to be unloaded and not dangerous. Regardless, you can still PROVE without peering down the barrel by using a cleaning rod.
In the military (long, long ago but also seen in US movies) when the Drill Sargent is checking equipment, the soldier holding the rifle, will present it so that the Sarge can look down the bore. Bolt pulled back, the soldier's thumb at the breech at an angle to reflect light off the thumbnail into the barrel. The thumb there acts not only as a reflector but as a barrier between the breech and the firing pin in the bolt.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, in post # 30, that if you insist on peering down the business end of a shooter on most American ranges, be prepared to end your day of shooting. Canadians will tolerate almost any behaivour because it has been forced down our throat by our elected betters, but the folks down south have more respect for guns than we do, and far less paranoia.
