reloading 9mm?

[sly mantis]

As stated the cost savings arent much when compared to reloading more expensive rounds. But what you have to figure is most people shoot alot of 9mm compared to those more expensive rounds so those small savings over alot of rounds is where it adds up.

 

[wjcbsr]

And besides the cost savings it's just plain therapeutic. Just like needlepoint or knitting. After a hard day's work I love to lock myself in the basement and load a couple hundred rds.

~Bill

 

[uchi]

If you're talking about buying ammo in the US or even components, that is a big no no. Canada customs might not care but Homeland Security does.

reloading components are fine, just not powder or bullets, as for ammo, as long as you arent buy over 5000 rounds youre fine. over that you need an explosvies export permit of sorts. we just brought back a bunch of ammo through customs with no issues. bought legally as well. so what i may do is get a case of it, 1000 rounds for 200 bucks. talked to my buddy at canada customs he confirmed this with me as did another importer of ammo i know. so maybe the rules have changed a bit or there has just been some miss information being passed around.

 

[BCP]

If you're talking about buying ammo in the US or even components, that is a big no no. Canada customs might not care but Homeland Security does.

reloading components are fine, just not powder or bullets, as for ammo, as long as you arent buy over 5000 rounds youre fine. over that you need an explosvies export permit of sorts. we just brought back a bunch of ammo through customs with no issues. bought legally as well. so what i may do is get a case of it, 1000 rounds for 200 bucks. talked to my buddy at canada customs he confirmed this with me as did another importer of ammo i know. so maybe the rules have changed a bit or there has just been some miss information being passed around.

If you have over 5000 rounds of ammo, Canadian customs will want to see your US export permit and Canadian import permit. If you so much as have 1 round on you in the US without the proper permits and a US law enforcement officer catches you... you are in deep.

Homeland Security is a US entity. They would care if an alien possesses ammo or ammo components in the US. If you get caught on US soil as an alien with firearms, ammo, or ammo components without the proper permits it could get ugly. If you make it back to the Canadian side before you encounter US law enforcement, consider yourself lucky.

www.americanfirearms.org/laws.php

This topic has been covered extensively here.

www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375872
www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375916

Do as you will. I just don't want to see a fellow nutter in trouble with the law.

 

[uchi]

The most common exception in the Gun Control Act is for a nonimmigrant alien who has a hunting license or permit that was lawfully issued in the United States. The hunting license or permit can be from any state in the United States - it does not have to be from the state where the nonimmigrant alien is purchasing the ammunition.

thats how we did it, my buddy has an alaska hunting license, which means hes legally allowed to purchase ammunition and posses it anywhere in the us, and the canadian gov doesnt care if you bring it back as long as its under 5000 rounds. ill ask again when i cross next time without any ammo in my truck to see if i get a different answer. but the place i bought it from is just over the bridge and has a lot of canadians who go there just to purchase ammunition. regardless ill double and triple check to make sure im not gonna catch #### for anything, thanks for the link

 

[shredder]

I reload my 9mm with lead cast bullets for Steel plate shooting. FMJ or HP bullets are NOT allowed at my (pistol) range because the jackets can come back at you when you hit the steel plate.

I can't find a source locally for reloaded lead bullets in 9mm (or any pistol calibre for that matter) and don't want to order it due to shipping charges and the fact that I'm very seldom home during the day.

Besides all that, reloading is fun and allows me to tailor my load to the pistol.

 

[BCP]

thats how we did it, my buddy has an alaska hunting license, which means hes legally allowed to purchase ammunition and posses it anywhere in the us, and the canadian gov doesnt care if you bring it back as long as its under 5000 rounds. ill ask again when i cross next time without any ammo in my truck to see if i get a different answer. but the place i bought it from is just over the bridge and has a lot of canadians who go there just to purchase ammunition. regardless ill double and triple check to make sure im not gonna catch s**t for anything, thanks for the link

The hunting license does give an exception for purchasing ammo in the US, but bringing it back is exporting, which falls under another law.

From www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/documents/Guidelines_Firearms.pdf

...
II. PERMANENT EXPORT OF FIREARMS/AMMUNITION

A. REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION: A DSP-5 export license is required for the permanent
export of firearms and ammunition unless an exemption applies. A firm purchase order and an
Import Authorization issued by the foreign government authorizing the import must accompany
the DSP-5 license application. In some cases a DSP-83 is required (see requirements)

...

V. EXEMPTIONS

A. LICENSING EXEMPTIONS: The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the
transfers of firearms and ammunition. Please read the complete applicable section of the ITAR:

123.17(b) Obsolete firearms and models - Non-automatic firearms that were
manufactured on or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms, are exempt.

123. 17(c) Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use - U.S.
persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not
more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided this is for the person's exclusive
use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership (i.e., firearms for use on
hunting trips or sporting events).

123.17(a) Minor components - Components and parts for Category I firearms are
exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100
wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames), or
complete breech mechanisms are major components and require a license.

123.18 Firearms for personal use for members of the U.S. armed forces and
civilian employees of the U.S. Government - Non-automatic firearms may be
exported for personal use and not for resale or transfer of ownership if the firearms
are accompanied by written authorization from the commanding officer or Chief of
the U.S. Diplomatic Mission.

123.19 Canadian and Mexican border shipments - A shipment originating in
Canada or Mexico that incidentally transits the U.S. en route to a delivery point in that
same country is exempt from the requirement for an in-transit license. This
exemption is not limited to firearms and ammunition...

Doesn't look like there is an exemption for us canucks to export ammo. I wouldn't want to get caught near the Canadian border by US law enforcement exporting ammo without an export license.

 

[uchi]

i dunno man, i just know that ive talked to the canadian boarder people, they dont care as long as its under 5000 rounds, and you can legally possess it if you have an american hunting license from any state. the gun store i visit sells tons of it and people keep coming back and buying more. like i said ill do some more investigating and make some phone calls. we all know how the information given through government websites, both ours and the u.s, can be taken in several ways and needs someone with a high level of education to properly decode it.

 

[uchi]

ive been talking with a boarder cop buddy of mine about this that i shoot with. heres basically how it works.

with a hunting license you can legally buy and posses the ammo in the u.s. canada doesnt care if you bring it over as long as its under 5000 rounds. but if you get caught by the americans trying to export it thats when you get bit. but you can legally import it as far as the canadian side is concerned.

 

[BCP]

ive been talking with a boarder cop buddy of mine about this that i shoot with. heres basically how it works.

with a hunting license you can legally buy and posses the ammo in the u.s. canada doesnt care if you bring it over as long as its under 5000 rounds. but if you get caught by the americans trying to export it thats when you get bit. but you can legally import it as far as the canadian side is concerned.

Yes, that's what I understood.

Canadian side doesn't care as long as you have PAL, declare the monetary value, and it is 5000 or less rounds. This was already mentioned by others earlier in the post.

U.S. doesn't want aliens to have ammo. Exception is you may purchase if you have a U.S. hunting license or Form 6NIA. But you may NOT export unless you have an export license.

 

[uchi]

thats only if you export it for re sale, my buddy looked into it some more, works for the boarder. just messaged me said its fine as long as its for personal use and you arent a business. he just confirmed it with us customs as well

 

[BCP]

thats only if you export it for re sale, my buddy looked into it some more, works for the boarder. just messaged me said its fine as long as its for personal use and you arent a business. he just confirmed it with us customs as well

I don't know if I'd want to take that chance on what someone else said. The www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/documents/Guidelines_Firearms.pdf site backs up this post from the thread www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375916:

I've had 300.00 bucks worth of ammo confiscated by the Americans driving back from Kesselring bros a few years back. they were waiting for us on the U.S side of the peace arch in the lower mainland. They Asked me," if i had an export permit". i said,"no" and they took everything.

I would want the OK in writing from the U.S. State Department before exporting without a license. Do as you will, as long as you do it knowing the risks you're taking. Anyone who read through this whole thread can't say "but I didn't know..." if they get busted before they reach the Canadian border.

 

[uchi]

i agree man its risky, its the same as transporting a gun in a case on a motorcycle, youre still likely to get stopped and likely to get harassed even though its legal, its all a risk of sorts. ill make sure anytime i go buy ammo i go with him, its safer for me that way. thanks for the chat bud