AR15 reliability

Denka

Denka

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Hey all, with all newbie experience with AR15, I have question to the pros. I have CZ 858 and without lubing, I was able to shoot hundreds rounds. However, with AR15 and I wanted to see, I did little of lubing and encountered jamming several times or I could shoot one shot and then reload. After taking apart bolt carrier and cleaning and lubing like crazy, everything went smooth. So, my question.

With all this AR15 craziness/support/love, how can you rely on a rifle that without lubing, will cause issues? So, let's say as an example only, war or zombie attack :), there might be little or no option to lube all the time, then what?
 
I am not trying to start thread that will trash AR15, just trying to figure out. Mayne better to change bolt carrier as maybe there is something better.
Regarding AR15, I'd rather not to say which one as to be not one manufacturer specific, as I encountered or saw with different ars
 
smak_daddy said:
There is nothing wrong with the AR-15/M-16 platform. Period.

Check you mags.
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If you check again , I mentioned that, I did cleaning and lubing and everything was fine, nothing to do with magz as I have lar15, pmags and borrowed regular one for testing
 
If you want to run dry or close to look into a Fail Zero Nibron coated BCG. But honestly all My ARs run very well without having to be lubed crazy and any I have seen of others and used have not had to have tons of lube to run right. Look into your own AR, your mags as mentioned etc.

What AR? All stock parts? What length gas system? What buffer weight? What barrel length? What you are experiencing is not "ALL ARs" issue.
 
Denka said:
If you check again , I mentioned that, I did cleaning and lubing and everything was fine, nothing to do with magz as I have lar15, pmags and borrowed regular one for testing
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My appologies. How does your gas tube look? Did you check it? Your extractor?

I assume you've ruled all these out, right?
 
I'd say you have a rifle with issues. I have an older Bushmaster (early 2000's manufacture... sold it, and then bought it back, I liked it so much!) that hasn't been cleaned or lubed in over a year, and with the exception of one FTF a couple of months ago, it's run flawlessly. I don't run that many rounds through it, maybe 1500 - 2000 in the last two years, but still...
 
bone stock or modified? any type of weather?
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I don't know if I can call it 'bone stock' as I built it from parts on a lower I made from scratch, but it's fairly 'standard' in that it's 14.5" 'M4-style' ar-15.
Rain, shine, heat, snow... can't recall ever having a stoppage. VERY minimal oil when I do oil it and I only re-oil it when I clean it which is not very often as I hate cleaning lol.

I've seen some you had to dip in a bucket of oil to keep them running but my opinion is they weren't built right in the first place.
YMMV
 
Dench said:
What ar15 was it?
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This is an important question,different manufactured rifles are not as reliable as others there is a reason one version is $700.ish and another top tier can run you $3000.

Not saying a top end rifle can not malfunction but....
How well do you know the platform?

was it properly cleaned /lubed or even assembled correctly in the first place?

was an improper lube there before you even started? ----and for how long has it sat with wrong lube?

Ar"s can run wet or dry I suspect it may have been an improper maint. issue to start with.
maybe some bunk ammo, did you switch brands?
Did the bolt cycle at all? short stroke? etc... there are far to many scenarios that might be the issue. Without complete story no one is going to give you what you are looking for.
Need more info
1) brand of rifle
2) ammo,brand,wt.etc..
3) mag used for when malfunction occured or all type you tried
4) Is it your rifle? did you prep it for use yourself?
5) Is it brand new?..Did you pre-use inspect? Factory "F"ups happen all the time
 
Guys, I do not have an issue, of course there are many scenarios as you are stating. Of course we can discuss mine, I am ok with that.
Brand new rifle, I did not take bolt carrier apart to lube. Anyways, after lubing, everything as I stated went fine. There is a possibility, that rifle is new and requires some wear to work properly. I am newbie in AR and not afraid saying that and I have some time to learn and operate rifle in a better manner.
I see guys mentioned about maintenance and myy question was exactly about that as how much maintenance there is required.
 
without knowing anything else some "foreign" ar's come across the pond heavilly greased(cosmoline) this has to be removed prior to use.
I AM NOT KNOCKING NORINCO.....they often show up with excessive amounts of cosmoline on metal items,especially BCG.
I cleaned nearly a teaspoon worth out of the buffer tube alone on a friend of mine's Norc prior to him useing it. He also was very new to AR's and wanted the dime tour before we took it to the range.
 
Denka said:
Guys, I do not have an issue, of course there are many scenarios as you are stating. Of course we can discuss mine, I am ok with that.
Brand new rifle, I did not take bolt carrier apart to lube. Anyways, after lubing, everything as I stated went fine. There is a possibility, that rifle is new and requires some wear to work properly. I am newbie in AR and not afraid saying that and I have some time to learn and operate rifle in a better manner.
I see guys mentioned about maintenance and myy question was exactly about that as how much maintenance there is required.
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Almost none. Spray some Break Free in there each range trip. Clean it every thousand rounds or so.

I've shot the platform for 24 years and had almost zero prioblems. The problems I had were all mag related.

I'll add that of the 12 or so AR's I've owned, they were all "top" brands (Colt, LMT, Stag). The lowest on the rung being RRA, which in my experience work just fine.
 
Thank you for the input, that what I did as using for lube. Possibly all mags were brand new :)

smak_daddy said:
Almost none. Spray some Break Free in there each range trip. Clean it every thousand rounds or so.

I've shot the platform for 24 years and had almost zero prioblems. The problems I had were all mag related.

I'll add that of the 12 or so AR's I've owned, they were all "top" brands (Colt, LMT, Stag). The lowest on the rung being RRA, which in my experience work just fine.
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Denka said:
With all this AR15 craziness/support/love, how can you rely on a rifle that without lubing, will cause issues?
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So, let's say as an example only, war or zombie attack :), there might be little or no option to lube all the time, then what?
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1) http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/keepitrunning.pdf

2) people who are actually in war zones don't have significant problems, so I'm ok with bench shooting and not worried about the rise of the dead. You don't need to lube "all the time". A couple of drops of almost any lube every thousand rounds or so into the bolt carrier will keep it going . See the SWAT magazine article linked above.

If your AR needs more-regular lube to function, something is wrong with it, the mags, or the ammo (e.g., you have a 5.56-sized gas port and are running weak .223 commercial ammo through it).
 
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