Ruger No 1....375 H&H or .45-70..

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Going to purchase one....But can't decide on the chambering...Will be a moose rifle first and foremost...I know both have great stopping power, and I hunt usually thicker woods, but the option of having the 375 with .30-06 trajectory in the case of a longer shot is also appealing...the 45-70 weights in at 7.5lbs roughly and the 375 at 9.25 I believe..I have not shot either cartridge before, and am not a huge fan of excessive recoil..But compared to a .30-06 shooting 180 at 2700 in a 7.5 lbs rifle...would either be "excessively" more different..I don't handload either at the moment, so I would probably be using factory ammo for the most part...I'm a regular '06 shooter for paper and hunting....so the 375 may have the upper hand in not having to "adjust" to a much different trajectory as with another chambering...

Thoughts???

Thanks..
 
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.45-70 factory ammo is pretty anemic for the most part. If you want to realise the potential of the cartridge you need to reload, or find specialty loads. Have you looked at .35 whelen, 9.3x74R, or the new upstart .375 Ruger?
 
Both will work. If you don't hand load what's easier to get ammo for in your area. The new leverevolution ammo flattens the trajectory of the 4570 somewhat. In thick woods I'd take the 4570 personally. Nothing against the 375 its an amazing round
 
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375 H+H all the way, particularly if you do not reload. The 45-70 is a formidible cartridge when loaded to it's potential in a #1 but factory ammo is loaded to accomodate 1880's era firearms.
The 375 is a much more versatile caliber and is useful in almost any situation, ammo is readily available.
 
IMHO... go with the 45/70, the deadliest loads are made from heavy cast bullets with very flat points, this reduces ammo cost enough that you can afford to practice, really! The .375s can not duplicate this wide/heavy bullet performance at short to mid range on the largest of our game.
 
ben hunchak said:
IMHO... go with the 45/70, the deadliest loads are made from heavy cast bullets with very flat points, this reduces ammo cost enough that you can afford to practice, really! The .375s can not duplicate this wide/heavy bullet performance at short to mid range on the largest of our game.
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I agree with this statement somewhat, however the OP stated he doesn't handload. In which case you, do you not agree the 375 is a better choice?
 
Some good thoughts there....Also, would this be a good rifle for either of these chamberings?? from those who have far more experience than myself...I really love the look and feel of them..And the model I'm planning on getting would be in laminate stainless..
 
Both calibres are good for what you want, but between the two, I would pick the 375 H&H. Nice all-a-round cal. for different parts of the country, and different big game in North America. Plus, I believe it still qualifies as a safari cal. if you ever get the chance to go.

It's been many years, but I remember the recoil feeling like a 12ga duck load, but felt a little more like it was pushing than punching. Anyhow, those big recoiling guns are not that bad when you are in a hunting situation, because you can get your shoulder behind the butt stock better. You'll mostly feel the recoil when shooting it from a bench, as the butt catches your upper shoulder near the collar bone. Adjust your bench rest system higher so you get the butt of the stock lower on your shoulder area (like as if you were standing and shooting a shotgun), and use padding on the bench for your elbows.

The Ruger No 1 is a fine rifle, and they some times do need a little accurizing (might be some vids on Youtube?).

Make sure you put on a scope with long eye relief, because you want a lot of room between your eye and the scope, as it will come back with the rifle's recoil and hit you just above the eye...ouch. The Leupolds are good for eye relief.
 
I don't think it is even close, for me anyways. The .375 H&H wins hands down. There is nothing the .45-70 can do that the H&H can't; but the H&H can reach out with its flat trajectory and hit game hard at extended distances.

With respect to recoil - loaded up they will both be significantly more than your .30-06; the .45-70 with very heavy loads in a light rifle will be the worst. Both will have almost double the recoil of your .30-06....

If you are not a huge fan of recoil, then you should think about skipping over these two. A 220gr Partition, when you are in the thick stuff, from your .30-06 will throw any moose for a loop. At 2550 fps the 220 will open up reliably out to 275 yards. That will mean starting reloading - but you have a great excuse to buy the kit and begin!
 
Well as said earlier...Right now, I dont reload...And the 375 chambering in the 1-H (tropical) is in the 9 - 9 1/4lbs range...The recoil of my '06's dont even fase me...I could, and have, shot litterally several boxes a day with trouble from the bench..I owned a .416 rem mag before...never did shoot it, and sold it fof before i got the chance...but another fellow allowed me to shoot his at the range and I never enjoyed it very much...from what I understand the .416 RM is a heavier hitter than 375...and again it would be with factory loads for now anyways...
 
GameStalker30-06 said:
Well as said earlier...Right now, I dont reload...And the 375 chambering in the 1-H (tropical) is in the 9 - 9 1/4lbs range...The recoil of my '06's dont even fase me...I could, and have, shot litterally several boxes a day with trouble from the bench..I owned a .416 rem mag before...never did shoot it, and sold it fof before i got the chance...but another fellow allowed me to shoot his at the range and I never enjoyed it very much...from what I understand the .416 RM is a heavier hitter than 375...and again it would be with factory loads for now anyways...
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I've owned both the .416 and .375 - I do reload and with both shooting stout reloads the .416 did have more recoil. The .375 in a No.1 isn't exactly "comfortable" from the bench.
 
Well, I have a lead sled on order and already own very comfortable elbow pads / shoulder pad for when I decided to purchase a high caliber rifle...I'm assuming that would help in taming some recoil while shooting at paper...I have never noticed recoil in anything while shooting at game..
 
well, mind's made up...No turning back now..

Have been looking on Prophet River's site for the last little while...hence the reason for this thread...after reviewing the comments on this thread as well as searching the rest of the site for the past few days/hours, regarding the ruger no 1 and .375 H&H / .45-70 cartridges...I just offically made up my mind... .375H&H it is!!

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Paid in full, Status: Shipping in progress :D...I will be taking several of the members advice and will be looking into getting a reloading set.

Thanks to all for your thoughts/advice...very much appreciated
 
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Order a proper recoil pad for it. Pachmayr's F990 works quite well. Also keep in mind that lead sleds can be tough on stocks.
 
As someone stated be careful of the Lead sled. Don't want a split in the stock. I have a 375 H&H, the recoil is not too bad. I actually bought mine just after you bought your 416 Rem mag

Dan
 
Will certainly do!!! and Yes, I've already taken that into account and have read about the lead sleads...Will probably end up using one of my 10lb sand bags between my shoulder or some configuration like that...
 
I was partridge hunting all fall (October)and ended up going back to work in November. I was supposed to have November off. I will have to wait two more falls before hunting with it. All though I have the last 4 days of the season this year. A friend of mine bought a No.1 in 300 winmag this past spring . Nice rifle

dan
 
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