I have a couple of hunting rifles that are quite adequate already but have never owned either a Rem model 700 or a Win 70. My newer Ruger 77mkII stainless 30-06 is an adequate rifle and shoots well. In the MOA area and certainly minute of pieplate well past 200m. So tell me why I would be better off with either a 700 or a 70. I have to say the Ruger is not an elegant design but weight and function are more or less the same. I certainly like the 700 and it is a nicely turned out rig. Your thoughts please. Yeah I know its got to fit me too but assume it does for now.
700 or 70?
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I have and like both, but for different reasons. Right now I'm partial to my M70s, but I'm not about to sell my M700s. If you do get a Remington, avoid the SPS models (they should shoot just fine but the finish leaves alot to be desired and the stocks suck).
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I own both M-70 and M-700 rifles and IMHO a Ruger 77 can be equally good. If you're feeling that you are missing out by owning a Ruger rather than a Remingchester, all I can say is don't get caught up in brand envy. The Ruger has all of the elements necessary to make it an excellent hunting rifle. If you are trying to determine which of the three is best, it would come down to the individual rifles, how they cycle and shoot, the quality of the triggers, how each stock style fits you, and which look appeals to you the most. If I think back to a few of the slickest rifles I have ever had the pleasure of using, M-70s and M-700s have been amongst them, yet none of my personal M-70 or M-700 rifles have been quite that good, but my pal's Ruger Alaskan is, as is my M-54 Winchester. Some of the roughest factory rifles I've ever had the displeasure of handling have also had M-70s and M-700s amongst them, and I've never seen a M-77 that bad.
I have had a few remington 700s they are good rifles, but i find them kinda plain in comparison to the new production winchester 70 featherweight i bought last year. I really like the wood, and the mauser action, the featherweight is nice and light/compact. I handled the sporter and super grade (I think) both are nice as well, but the featherweight is my favorite.
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The Model 700 is a design made to be above all other things, cheap to manufacture. The 700 uses a roundstock receiver, three piece soldered together bolt, loose recoil lug sandwiched between the barrel and receiver, the worst safety in the business (all TV mockumentaries aside) and 'paperclip' extractor. It also works quite well, has a quick lock time, and is as accurate as anything else these days with its improved competition (Remington used to be 'accurate' in the marketplace).
Going to the Model 70, you get an actual extractor and controlled round feed, better bottom metal, a real one piece bolt with no solder, an action machined without compromise (it doesn't have to be made from heavy pipe as a design factor) giving you a real recoil lug system, and the best safety in the business (emulated all the way up to the best English gunmakers today). The Model 70 is twice the quality of rifle at essentially the same price as the Model 700 in my opinion.
Going to the Model 70, you get an actual extractor and controlled round feed, better bottom metal, a real one piece bolt with no solder, an action machined without compromise (it doesn't have to be made from heavy pipe as a design factor) giving you a real recoil lug system, and the best safety in the business (emulated all the way up to the best English gunmakers today). The Model 70 is twice the quality of rifle at essentially the same price as the Model 700 in my opinion.
Your Ruger is essentially the same design as the Winchester (mark11 and onwards) both excellent rifles. My Rem 700mtn rifle is the nicest to carry, has the nicest trigger, fastest lock time is accurate. The only aggravation is the bolt doesnt lock. On several occasions, when slung on back, crawling up hills, through bush, it has opened. I own all three mentioned rifles, and if buying another, it would be the new Winchester featherweight, but only up to /06 caliber, due to recoil in light rifle. Thats my 2 cents
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Model 70 here. Especially the latest FN produced guns. Treat yourself and buy a Super-Grade.
Cheers
Geoff
Model 70 here. Especially the latest FN produced guns. Treat yourself and buy a Super-Grade.
Cheers
Geoff
I also currenty own representation in all 3 brands, W70, R700, R77.
While I do favor the 700, the others are also just fine.
I would suggest you get very familiar with your Ruger.
It will do everything you need it to do.
Regards, Eagleye.
While I do favor the 700, the others are also just fine.
I would suggest you get very familiar with your Ruger.
It will do everything you need it to do.
Regards, Eagleye.
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They will all get the job done, but Winchester is my preference.
what he said......
I have had them all, as well as Sako and Kimber and a few other brands.
The Model 70 is the best new hunting rifle available today at the price they sell for.
I have 4 Pre'64 Model 70's and I'll probably buy a new FN Model 70 someday soon. They are just as good and maybe better in some regards than a Pre'64.
I also have about a half dozen 700's and I have very little bias toward any particular brand.
I like Model 70s, always have. It has always been a matter of great sadness to me that my Remingtons have consistantly outshot my Winchesters.
I've had two of the new FN manufactured ones, a .458 that I love and a 30-06 Supergrade that went back because it was the worst shooting new rifle that I've stumbled on lately.
I've had two of the new FN manufactured ones, a .458 that I love and a 30-06 Supergrade that went back because it was the worst shooting new rifle that I've stumbled on lately.
I don't have a ton of experince shooting eitehr of these , but i went to the store and handled a bunch of different ones. The Win-70 felt far and away the best fit finish and action. Im just deciding now whether i want a sporter or featherweight model. ( well i also want the safari in 375 H&H but that will have to wait)
Basically another what he said.
After spending a few years on this site and hearing all the praise for the model 70 I decided to try one out last summer. It was on the EE within a month of owning it due to a nasty unexpected vet bill. I had many others that could have gone...but I didn't care much for the Featherweight so off it went. It never endeared itself to me like so many other folks.
It was a nice looking, decent functioning rifle...but what can I say? I much prefer my Kimber 84m classic. Fits me way better and incorporates the best design features of both the model 700 and the model 70 without the added heft. I just might grab another Model 70 one day, but it would be a project gun to try and chamber in 350Rem mag, it certainly doesn't sit high on my priority list.
Kimber for the CRF 3-pos safety etc for hunting, and Rem 700s for bench rest rifles.
Can't fault the Winchester, but I think you'd be just as well served by a 700,I've never had one that wouldn't shoot.
It's a win-win either way. As others have said your Ruger is no slouch either. I've had two M-77 MkII's and they are one of the most "huntable" rifles out there in their price range.
It was a nice looking, decent functioning rifle...but what can I say? I much prefer my Kimber 84m classic. Fits me way better and incorporates the best design features of both the model 700 and the model 70 without the added heft. I just might grab another Model 70 one day, but it would be a project gun to try and chamber in 350Rem mag, it certainly doesn't sit high on my priority list.
Kimber for the CRF 3-pos safety etc for hunting, and Rem 700s for bench rest rifles.
Can't fault the Winchester, but I think you'd be just as well served by a 700,I've never had one that wouldn't shoot.
It's a win-win either way. As others have said your Ruger is no slouch either. I've had two M-77 MkII's and they are one of the most "huntable" rifles out there in their price range.
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